HELP! Agents are being STRANGE! Need advice

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:Soapbox: Hi everyone. I'm a newbie here and really could use some help deciphering some strange behavior from non-fiction agents.

I sent a query out about a month ago. I had about 10 agents ask for the full proposal. Of these, about 7 asked for a sample chapter. I sent it off.

One agent turned me down, without any explanation.

Another emailed me several times, saying she liked the proposal, though she wanted to make some revisions to the chapter. She finally said, "We should talk". I gave her my phone number. That was about a week ago. She has never called.

Another agent emailed me on a Friday saying "I am looking forward to reading the chapter this weekend." That was almost 10 days ago. I haven't heard anything further.

A fourth emailed me and said he wanted to share the chapter with his colleague. He emailed me back within a couple of days and said he recevied "good feedback" and wanted to think about the editors who might be receptive for the proposal/chapter. He said he would get back to me within a week.

Okay-- so what is going on here? Should I assume that the agents who have never called are never going to call? Or am I jumping the gun, expecting a decision too quickly?

And is the agent who wants to think about the editors to whom he may submit the proposal still interested, or is this a sign that he may back away? Does this mean he doesn't think many editors will be receptive?

Any and all insights/ similar experiences would be very, very welcomed! I can't figure out if this is normal, unique, or somewhere in between! I know each case is different, but I'd love to hear from anyone who may have experienced something like this.

Thanks everyone!
 

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Agents are very busy people juggling a full workload. I would take it as a positive you've had a 70% strike rate of agents wanting to view a sample chapter. I know it's hard but take a deep breath and be patient, and give yourself a wee pat on the back for getting such a positive response
 

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:Another emailed me several times, saying she liked the proposal, though she wanted to make some revisions to the chapter. She finally said, "We should talk". I gave her my phone number. That was about a week ago. She has never called.



Remember, a week is a month in agent speak.
I would call the agent who said "we should talk."
 

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Thanks for the words of advice, Talia and Popmuze. I was excited that agents even wanted to LOOK at the sample chapter. But it seems like they got all excited and chatty, and then they just disappeared. It makes me wonder if my sample chapter is really awful!

Do you really think I should call the agent who said "We should talk"? I assumed this meant she wanted my phone number, so I gave it to her. Do you think it would be rude for me to call her? I don't want to be so pushy that she gets off the proverbial fence and a maybe becomes an "R."

Has anyone out there had similar weirdness with an agent with whom the ultimately signed? I mean, do agents seem to get all excited and then disappear for a while? It just seems like the most logical reason is because they don't like the sample chapter.

Should I expect those who read the sample chapter to actually give me some feedback? Or is it more normal for those who aren't interested to just never contact me again?

Thanks everyone!
 

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It sounds like you're getting more of a response than you're ready to handle. Most agents don't respond at all. Anyway, if you get an R from the agent who said we should talk, you'd have gotten it anyway. I would have taken we should talk as my cue to call, rather than putting the ball in her court.
 

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Oh, dear! Really, Popmuze-- an agent who says "we should talk" wants you to call her/him? I didn't realize that! I just assumed that if someone says "we should talk," that's their way of saying "I want to talk to you, so please give me your phone number." I feel pretty stupid.

I guess I should just sit tight. I do have an offer of representation from someone, but they're not my first choice, though they are legitimate (genuine deals confirmed by Publishers Marketplace). I'm not sure they are actually excited by my proposal, though they think they can sell it.

Which raises another issue: How do you know when an agent is excited about your book? Seems to me they would at least call you!
 

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I guess I should just sit tight. I do have an offer of representation from someone, but they're not my first choice, though they are legitimate (genuine deals confirmed by Publishers Marketplace). I'm not sure they are actually excited by my proposal, though they think they can sell it.

What did you tell this agent who made an offer of representation?
They wouldn't have made an offer if they weren't excited (really liked) your proposal. Why do you think they aren't excited?

Which raises another issue: How do you know when an agent is excited about your book? Seems to me they would at least call you!

If they are excited about your book it not only means they like the way it's written, but the believe there's a market for it and that there's a good chance they can get a publisher to buy it. If an agent is excited about your book, be assured that sooner or later you will hear from them. If you don't get a response from any agent by the time each indicates in their guidelines, send them a gentle SQ (short and polite).

 

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What all these folks said. You're doing great. Don't let your eagerness or impatience get the best of you, and don't let your confidence waver because things are taking longer than you expected. In this business EVERYTHING takes about four times longer than you'd expect. Feel good right now. You're getting excellent results. Don't sweat what appear to be delays; they're perfectly within the norms.
 

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Scope, you asked a great question, so I wanted to respond. The agent who has offered to represent me is somewhat new and I think he's trying to build his client list. He has some good solid clients and one six-figure deal. But he doesn't seem super excited about the project because he keeps suggesting that I write THIS kind of book rather than THAT kind of book. And although I'm totally open to revisions, I want to write THAT kind of book. The other kind of book may be a future project, but it's not the same as the current one. So I kind of get the feeling he's willing to take me on as a client, with the hope that eventually I will write another book that has a greater chance of success. I told him some of my ideas for future books, and he really likes one of them in particular. But it's not a book I can write now. It's in the future.

So.... this is why I think he's "not really all that into" my current project. He also has communicated a vision of the current project that I'm not 100 percent on board with, trying to peg it into an ideological hole that I'm not sure is accurate.

Does this make sense? Don't agents (especially new ones) try to find clients that may have future potential, even if their current project isn't all that hot?
 

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Regarding the "we should talk" agent... I suggest you send an email stating something to the effect of "I look forward to discussing this with you; can we schedule a phone conference at your convenience?"
 

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If you have an offer of representation you should e-mail the other agents who have expressed interest in your book and tell them about it. Ask them if they are still interested in the project.
 

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I don't know of any agent who will represent an unpublished writer based solely on the writer's potential. Potential goes into the mix, but in my experience only when an agent is anxious to rep a completed work, which is not the case here.

We all have different opinions, but mine would be that for now you jettison your talks with this agent who wants you to revise your book to satisfy him, not you and him. Revisions will always have to be done, no matter who your agent, but if I read you right, you don't want anything to do with the revisions this agent is suggesting. So, if you do sign, it doesn't seem as if he'll be too motivated to sell your work (remember, being a new agent, it's only logical for him to present those works he feels strongly about). If that's the case, your work will just lay around and he'll hope that some day you'll produce the type of book he likes.
 

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I was just in a similar situation, except that I had four proposals out. One agent, in particular, told me off the bat she was interested in repping me, but needed "just a few more days" to get back to me. A few more days became a few months. I nudged her once or twice only because she has awesome sales and I thought I really wanted to go with her. But I'm glad I didn't wait any longer.
In the end, I signed with an agent who I queried for my novel. When I got the contract, I realized I was signing for "exclusive agent rights," so I mentioned the proposal. He had me send it and he loved it. He really, honestly expressed a kind of passion for it that no other agent had. He could appreciate it for both the book that it was AND its marketability. The other agents seemed to see it only as cash potential.
So try not to worry. You know you've got something good because of the response you've gotten. Now you need to find the agent with the passion. If the agent who offered you a contract has a different book in mind and you're not interested, don't do it. You should expect lots of revisions, but you shouldn't find yourself writing an entirely different book. I'm finding that agents tend to take longer with nonfiction. They really want to assess the market and consult with co-agents, assistants, etc., before they make a decision. So give the other folks some time (not months though!)

Also, you really should include the first two chapters as part of your proposal. That's generally the way it's done and it might speed things up for you in the future.

Congrats and good luck!
 
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Okay, this is kind of funny. So the one agent who said "we should talk" actually called me on Monday, leaving a message on my business phone. Well, I'm in another state for the summer, doing some research, so I didn't check my voice mail until yesterday (Wed.), when I found her message. In the meantime, she had emailed me Wed. and asked if I had received her voice message.

So... turns out she did call, pretty promptly, though she called the wrong number. And it's weird because, in our last email exchange, I had given her my new landline and told her to call me at that number. Why she called my business phone, I have no idea. Whatever!

So we talked for a while on the phone and she likes (not sure I'd say "loves") my sample chapter, EXCEPT she thinks it needs more of a "story." She said editors will want a "real" story to make the ideas seem more compelling.

Alright-- I get this. But how on earth do you take a chapter and write a "story"-- much less a "real" story-- when the chapter tackles a wide variety of issues? This isn't the story of Uncle Ed's Great Adventure, it's a story about a specific area of law. This area encompasses an array of important issues, so there's no one magic case out there that illustrates it.

If anyone out there has any ideas or has run into a similar problem, I'd love to hear how you tackled it! Right now, I'm at a loss....
 

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I'm in the middle of exactly this and beginning to wonder how often I'll be willing to redo the proposal... actually, my position is the ghostwriter. A totally legit agent is really interested - I can pick up the phone and talk with her - I'm a pro and she wants something more and I'm having trouble figuring it out.

More story seems like a likely request for me.

And yes, ignore the agent who is building a client list... don't' piss him off, he may make it.

You've gotten a wonderful response, congratulations. It can take seemingly forever to work these things through to success.

Good luck.
 

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Two big things stuck out at me from reading this:

1. A month or two of response time is no biggie at all in the wild world of agents. I don't think you have any clue how incredibly positive it is that you've gotten such fast responses!

2. A 70% interest rate is also incredibly positive. To put some perspective on that: I sent out about 45 proposals, got a grand total of 5 or 6 shows of interest, and spent 18 months working on it before getting an agent. If I got an agent, I don't think you have anything at all to worry about. Saying you're doing great, from over here in Cathyland, sounds like the understatement of the decade.

I think my problem is that I'm so willing, because I had to work my butt off to get this far, to make changes. I have to be careful to remember that it's actually sometimes important to say, "No, this has to stay in." You might want to keep an eye out for the opposite problem, and be sure to take good advice from professionals, remembering that there are approximately eleventy jillion other good writers for agents to look at--don't make it too hard for them to look at you.

And, GEEZ--congratulations on the AMAZING response. Clearly you rock.
 

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Wow, that's a really good success rate! I'm curious to know if you did anything out of the ordinary (besides good writing) to get so many agents interested in you? You just sent out proposals and got a response even though you're a beginner? I was always under the impression that agents don't just "take on" a writer, though I might have been misinformed. I'm trying to help someone I know, contact some agents for his work, but so far, no takers. Can someone inform me of how the agent thing works?
 

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The big catch 22 about sample chapters is that whatever you deliver at the outset is bound to be so much better after you put in a whole lot more research. But you really need the contract before you can put in all the research. I'll bet a year from now you'll discover a great first chapter.
What I've tried to do in my non fiction books is to land an interview with someone important to the book.
This is also obviously easier when you've already got the deal.
 

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I'm late to the party but have a pretty different response to other people. (BTW, my proposal also received immediate interest from five agents, phone calls from 3, and contracts from 4 of them--all of this within a week. The difference is, none of them said, "I'm interested..." They all SHOWED/PROVED their interest with immediate input, feedback, etc. That said...:)
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1)Another agent emailed me on a Friday saying "I am looking forward to reading the chapter this weekend." That was almost 10 days ago. I haven't heard anything further.

Send #1 an email--"At your request, I sent you a chapter 10 days ago. Did you get a chance to read it/any interest in pursing this further?" If no answer, cross him/her off your list.

2) A fourth emailed me and said he wanted to share the chapter with his colleague. He emailed me back within a couple of days and said he recevied "good feedback" and wanted to think about the editors who might be receptive for the proposal/chapter. He said he would get back to me within a week.

I find this VERY weird--I don't know of any agents who reads a proposal/chapter and wants to "think of editors" without offering to sign you! That's a lot of time/effort on their behalf, so my red flag goes up.

Good luck!
 
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