Newbie again: Is anyone else writing historical fiction on race in the U.S.?

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Hi,

Former U.S.history teacher here. :)

I'm writing a novel based on a lynching in the early 20th century United States.

Anybody doing something similar?


Thanks!
 

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I'm not and I don't recall seeing any threads with similar topics in the recent past. There is a thread somewhere in this forum (probably back a couple pages) in which everyone listed what they were writing about. You might want to look back through the prior pages to see if you can find it. Puma
 
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Hi,

Former U.S.history teacher here. :)

I'm writing a novel based on a lynching in the early 20th century United States.

Anybody doing something similar?


Thanks!

I am developing a story on an escaped slave and a slave hunter. It's set in the 1830s, but it's only in the rough outlining/researching stage right now.
 

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Hi, Bouki, why do you ask?
 

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Hi, Bouki, why do you ask?

Hi,

Because I'm interested in knowing what approaches other writers are taking to understanding the dynamics of race, power, gender and economics at specific times in history.

It's important that the story be honest, authentic and deal with the complexity of humanity of each of the characters.

I've been lurking for a couple of weeks and haven't seen anyone else doing a topic like mine. So, thought I'd ask.

Why do you ask why I'm asking? :)



I am developing a story on an escaped slave and a slave hunter. It's set in the 1830s, but it's only in the rough outlining/researching stage right now

Babbler,

I'd love to hear more about your story and your process when you get time. Have you seen James McBride's Song Unsong? That work also deals with an enslaved woman who escapes and a slavecatcher on her trail in 1830s(?) Maryland?

I'm not and I don't recall seeing any threads with similar topics in the recent past. There is a thread somewhere in this forum (probably back a couple pages) in which everyone listed what they were writing about. You might want to lok back through the prior pages to see if you can find it. Puma

Thanks Puma! I'll check it out.
 

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I wondered if it's fiction; or non-fiction
 

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I wondered if it's fiction; or non-fiction

It's fiction. :)

But based on an actual lynching and the improbable formation of an interracial union across the South during the Great Depression.

Not me, but I read a book recently you might be interested in. Naughts and Crosses by Malorie Blackman takes place in an alternate-reality world where historically blacks have been in power and whites oppressed

No, I hadn't seen this. I rarely read fantasy (one notable exception: Olivia Butler's Kindred).

Thanks for the link. What did you think of it? I will definitely check it out. :)
 

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No, I hadn't seen this. I rarely read fantasy (one notable exception: Olivia Butler's Kindred).

Thanks for the link. What did you think of it? I will definitely check it out. :)

I don't know that I'd call this fantasy. It takes place in what is basically present-day Britain, except that the race roles have been reversed and rolled back about 40 years. The alternating MCs are a Cross (black) girl, the daughter of a rich politician, and a Naught (white) boy, the son of their former housekeeper.

The Naughts are being integrated into Cross schools. There's a reference to Matthew Henson, who was a Cross, having been first at the North Pole, where Robert Peary's role was ignored because he was a Naught. (In most "this-reality" histories Peary was emphasized and Henson, who really was first, was ignored.)

The Naughts turn to terrorism (forget nonviolent resistence!), and the story turns to tragedy. It's the first book of a trilogy. I haven't read the 2nd two books yet.
 

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Unless you mean that an interracial union in the South was unusual--but I'll tell you something even more unusual. Studs Terkel wrote a book in which he talked about the 1920s KKK and said it was powerful in Illinois and that Blacks joined to the group! Studs Terkel, Hard Times (New York, 1970), pp. 229-230[/I]

And there's the Herrin Massacre of 1922 as it's called where Blacks and Whites united to run out "scabs" in the mines in [I think] Illinois.

That was a really strange period on all sides. You might want to check it out if it can help you understand the period. Even though I know The Great Depression was 1929-1933 [?]
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Babbler,

I'd love to hear more about your story and your process when you get time. Have you seen James McBride's Song Unsong? That work also deals with an enslaved woman who escapes and a slavecatcher on her trail in 1830s(?) Maryland?

The two "slave stories" that inspired my idea were Nat Turner's Rebellion and James Watkins's story--the latter was used for the miniseries Roots. I had the "What if?" question: What if a Slave Hunter had a change of heart? Then: What would make a Slave Hunter have a change of heart? Those are the possibilities I'll be exploring.
 
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The two "slave stories" that inspired my idea were Nat Turner's Rebellion and James Watkins's story--the latter was used for the miniseries Roots. I had the "What if?" question: What if a Slave Hunter had a change of heart? Then: What would make a Slave Hunter have a change of heart? Those are the possibilities I'll be exploring.

Very interesting! It may be especially useful to wrangle with how slavery was first and foremost a economic institution that became racialized over time. What would make a slave hunter change his mind if his livelihood depended on bringing back a black fugitive?

In what way was Mr. Watkins' story incorporated into Roots?

Keep us updated.

Thank you for the encouragement. I will. :)

Unless you mean that an interracial union in the South was unusual--but I'll tell you something even more unusual. Studs Terkel wrote a book in which he talked about the 1920s KKK and said it was powerful in Illinois and that Blacks joined to the group! Studs Terkel, Hard Times (New York, 1970), pp. 229-230[/i]

Yes. An interracial union across the South was highly unusual. They broke all the racial codes and etiqutte of the time. Industrial unions in the north (like the United Mine Workers of America) were having some success with interracial locals. In other places they would not fly at all.


Studs Terkel did record that assertion, but it's not been independantly verified. There are tales of blacks in the KKK, but they tend to come from spurious KKK sources themselves. Planted to argue that the KKK was not always anti-black.

Those kinds of tales stand in contrast to verifiable accounts of black slaveholders (of which there were a tiny number across the South) and black men fighting for the Confederacy (usually at their slaveholder's command or promise for freedom after the war).

And there's the Herrin Massacre of 1922 as it's called where Blacks and Whites united to run out "scabs" in the mines in [I think] Illinois.

Well ... as you say, this was an unusual event. But I wouldn't necessarily characterize it as "blacks and whites united" since those "scabs" were actually black laborers imported from the South to break the union.

I don't know that I'd call this fantasy. It takes place in what is basically present-day Britain, except that the race roles have been reversed and rolled back about 40 years. The alternating MCs are a Cross (black) girl, the daughter of a rich politician, and a Naught (white) boy, the son of their former housekeeper.

I'm sorry. I'm not clear on genre. I meant "fantasy" only in the sense that it's fantastical in upending the racial paradigm. At any rate, I appreciate the citation and will check it out.

Thanks to you all for your kind suggestions, resources and advice. :)
 

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Very interesting! It may be especially useful to wrangle with how slavery was first and foremost a economic institution that became racialized over time. What would make a slave hunter change his mind if his livelihood depended on bringing back a black fugitive?

In what way was Mr. Watkins' story incorporated into Roots?

I believe it was used as a basis for the depictions on slaves' POV for everything. James Watkins wrote and incredibly detailed (and opinionated--not without good cause) book about his life and trials. He was witness to the Underground Railroad, Slave Hunters, corruption, loosing syblings to auction and the Abolitionists. You might say that he'd seen it all. He grew up around the time of Nat Turner's rebellion (which was seen at the time as an excuse not to treat Negroes as men), which only lasted about a week in all, but became infamous because these slaves had infiltrated the homes of whites and slew them in their sleep. The slaves thereafter were suspiscious for thier color--being related to barbarism and animal activities such as the chaotic slaughters of a few members of Nat Turner's rebellion--and they knew what was thought of them. Interestingly, if you read James Watkins's account, they were kept away from religion--except what their masters used to make them malleable. (One slave owner WAS a preacher.)
 

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My daughter read Naughts and Crosses and loved it!
Nothing here on race relations in the US but several of my books deal with post-slavery in British Guiana/Guyana!
 

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Bouki46

You obviously believe in checking sources--and that's good. But it wasn't always the KKK putting stuff out to make it look like they weren't anti-Black. And remember this was the second KKK, so research carefully--
Marcus Garvey visited Head Dragon (I don't remember his correct title but if you need to you can look it up) Simmons in Atlanta, and then wrote that he trusted the KKK more than the NAACP, because with the Klan you at least knew where you stood.

If you'll pardon a pun: things weren't always black and white. What about the Free Black slave owners who outfitted regiments of whites in the War of the Yankee Aggression? :)
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But it wasn't always the KKK putting stuff out to make it look like they weren't anti-Black. And remember this was the second KKK, so research carefully--
Marcus Garvey visited Head Dragon (I don't remember his correct title but if you need to you can look it up) Simmons in Atlanta, and then wrote that he trusted the KKK more than the NAACP, because with the Klan you at least knew where you stood.

If you'll pardon a pun: things weren't always black and white. What about the Free Black slave owners who outfitted regiments of whites in the War of the Yankee Aggression? :)

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Thank you for your thoughtful message. :)

I understand that things weren't always "black and white." I do believe in checking sources and analysis of sources carefully. I taught the history of race in the U.S. for a long time.

Garvey did visit the Grand Dragon of the second KKK (to the great consternation of W.E.B. Dubois, A. Phillip Randolph and other "leaders of the race.")

But it was less an affinity with white supremacy than an affinity for the idea of racial seperatism which Garvey saw as imperative to black progress given the almost complete social, economic and cultural subjugation of blacks after the failure of Reconstruction and the descent of race relations into what historians call "the Nadir."

Moreover, other black leaders believed that Garvey's West Indian background (which ironically made him more radially "pro-black') also inhibited his understanding of the vicious and violent nature of white supremacy.

If the KKK argued that lynchings (in which literally thousands of whites would take excursion trains, picnic baskets and their children to watch the hanging, burning and dismemberment of black men, women and children) were "necessitated" by "atavistic black man raping white women" and would be lessened by racial seperation, Garvey was inclined to agree with the seperation part even while proclaiming that the rape part was a lie.

Moreover, Garvey had personal animus with other black leaders (particularly DuBois) over their failure to address "colorism" within black communities. Fair skin was literally connected to educational and economic advantage. Garvey (for all his faults) was the first dark-skinned, natural hair "Black and Proud" nationalistic leader. And the first to call upper classed, fairer skinned blacks to task for attitudes and practices which left the "darker hue" at a disadvantage.

Yes, I do know about black slaveholders (as I posted upthread) who did not identify with other blacks (particularly the enslaved) and were usually the sons of wealthy white landowners who acted as benefactors. (This was particularly true where there were groups of "high-society, free colored" as in New Orleans and Charleston.

Having said all that, I do greatly appreciate you bringing those examples into discussion. :)


I believe it was used as a basis for the depictions on slaves' POV for everything. James Watkins wrote and incredibly detailed (and opinionated--not without good cause) book about his life and trials. He was witness to the Underground Railroad, Slave Hunters, corruption, loosing syblings to auction and the Abolitionists. You might say that he'd seen it all. He grew up around the time of Nat Turner's rebellion (which was seen at the time as an excuse not to treat Negroes as men), which only lasted about a week in all, but became infamous because these slaves had infiltrated the homes of whites and slew them in their sleep. The slaves thereafter were suspiscious for thier color--being related to barbarism and animal activities such as the chaotic slaughters of a few members of Nat Turner's rebellion--and they knew what was thought of them. Interestingly, if you read James Watkins's account, they were kept away from religion--except what their masters used to make them malleable. (One slave owner WAS a preacher.)

Inarticulate Babbler,

May I suggest a strong (but basic) text to give you more context? To Make Our World Anew: A History of African Americans to 1880

You may also find more "meat" for the bones of your story in the WPA interviews with ex-slaves. Three I'd recommend are John Blassingame's Slave Testimony, Charles Perdue's (et. al) Weevils in the Wheat and Charles Davis' and Henry Louis Gates' The Slave's Narratives which discusses the WPA interviews, other prominent slave narratives and avoiding pitfalls in using them. Or barring getting these books to peruse (which is still my preference) you can see some interviews here: WPA Ex-Slave Narratives Library of Congress

Finally, Willie Lee Rose's A Documentary History of Slavery in North America (which includes ex-slave interviews, excerpts from other narratives, bills of sale, examples of slave codes, examples of bill of sale, excerpts from slaveholder journals, etc) might give you a broader understanding of the economic dimensions of the system.

Oh! Can't beleive I almost forgot to tell you about Walter Johnson's very fine work, Soul by Soul: Life Inside the Antebellum Slave Market.

Good luck with your exciting project. :)
 

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Bouki46, Thank you. However, I fear this project will be on the backburner for a bit.

I'm polishing a novel that takes place in the beginning of the revolution, about a man who is to become a Continental Marine. (I have a trilogy roughly outlined.) Also, I'm working on a thriller set in the Stone Age. I'm also collaborating on a Historic Fantasy, its magic system is based on Egyptian mythology.

When I begin on the Slavehunter prospect, I want a free mind for it. This has to be approached very carefully. I've been picking information up here and there, and thank you again for the additional references, but haven't had the opportunity to fully commit to it, yet.

An interesting aside: Slavehunters were the origin of the KKK.
 

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Working on one during the Civil War, but from the Norther perspective and not everyone is keen on freeing the slaves.

I thought it might be interesting to do one on the Reconstruction period. So many young women from the North went down South to teach free blacks. That would have some interesting racial tensions...but tahts in the future.
 

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Not writing about that but my novel is about race, only set in a different country.

I look at articles and books written around the time which may shed light on the current frame of mind. It can be hard to find, especially for a different country, like mine.

I would also try and read similar fiction that is set at the time of your story to see how other authors might approach it.

That probably doesn't help much at all but that's my two cents!
 

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You may be interested in "The Book of Negroes" - a very powerful work.