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MightierThanTheSword
06-09-2009, 01:28 AM
Hello! My name is Liz, and I'm looking for someone who can help me out with my novel-in-progress, called My Brother's Ghost. I'm not picky about whether or not you have credentials or can help me get published, I just want to get the darn thing finished! I need someone who is smart and not afraid to tell me exactly what they think.

A bit about the story: This novel is an adventure story that takes place in a fantasy setting. The main character, Tanus, lost his older brother Jericho in a demon attack four years ago, but he still sees vivid "memory flashes" of Jericho all the time. When a girl named Kirei comes to his village looking for the famous demon fighter Jericho to help her save the world, he's unable to tell her the truth about his Jericho and instead steals his brother's identity as he leaves his village for the first time. He has to adjust to a new world and learn to be the kind of demon slayer Jericho was...without letting his secret slip, and the only guide he has is his brother's "ghost". His travels with Kirei take him to a multitude of different places, and he has to face several obstacles which make it harder for him to pretend to be Jericho, such as meeting an old friendturned the wrong side, and eventually returning home to his family in order to protect his home. There's not much of the manuscript written yet, but the book itself, when complete, will be very, very long.

My strengths in writing: I have freakishly good grammar and I'm very handy with the spellcheck, even though I don't spell so well on my own. I have a good sense of flow. I read a lot, so I sort of have an idea of what works and what doesn't; I know how to give plots a start, middle, and finish. I know how to stay in one point of view. I have a wide vocabulary, but I try not to use words a reader would have to look up in a dictionary.

My weaknesses in writing: I'm quite long-winded. I tend to go on and on when I feel things could be cut short. I have a problem with using words like "as", "said", and "-ly" too much. I've also been told I don't quite know how to work with my "--". I am guilty of some melodrama here and there, mostly because I have too much internal monologue. With that in mind, I also have problems with showing instead of telling. I'm very weak on action scenes and need improvement on description, and the plot for this particular novel is a bit sketchy, especially the ending. I feel as though my characters may not be believable or "real" enough, or that the pace of my book tends to lag.

What I need from a beta: As I stated above, I don't need credentials, and I don't need hand-holding. I want solid, honest advice, someone who I can bounce ideas off of and ask writing questions to - like, "What voice do I use for my narration? When is it okay to change points of view? Does this plot device work?" I don't want someone just for the words themselves - the grammar, the flow, the spelling. I want a beta for my ideas, too, someone who can understand the plot and help me figure out which parts to keep and which parts to cut out, someone who can give me harsh feedback (go on, I can take it, and if I can't, I need to learn to!).

If anyone is willing to help me, you'd have my eternal gratitude. I've been working on this story for two or three years now and I'd really love another person to give me feedback on it. Even if I never get it published, I do want to get it complete, and make it the best it can be, and I can't do that alone.

Thank you for your time.

Matera the Mad
06-09-2009, 04:10 AM
IMO you are asking for something more than a beta reader. Betas read finished work, not partial WIP's with a lot of problems. It might be a good idea to post samples in SYW (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26) (password vista) and hash out some of the plot device ideas in the Sandbox (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=180).

The extra exposure would help you to find more people who might be interested in helping out. Exploring more of the forums here will certainly do you loads of good.

I am the arch-enemy of As. :D

P.S. Though I hate most animated sig-pics, I love yours ;)

troutkitty
06-09-2009, 06:23 AM
I know what you mean at that point of the writing. I'd love to look at it. It sounds promising.

I've published mainly erotica but I started in SF/F/H. I critique for just about everything, from repetitive words to plot and structure logic. I also bounce a good idea. :)

MightierThanTheSword
06-09-2009, 10:04 AM
IMO you are asking for something more than a beta reader. Betas read finished work, not partial WIP's with a lot of problems. It might be a good idea to post samples in SYW (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26) (password vista) and hash out some of the plot device ideas in the Sandbox (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=180).

The extra exposure would help you to find more people who might be interested in helping out. Exploring more of the forums here will certainly do you loads of good.

I am the arch-enemy of As. :D

P.S. Though I hate most animated sig-pics, I love yours ;)

Oh, thank you! I had an avatar that goes with it correcting some of the basic grammar errors people seem to make a lot, but I think it was too big for this board or something.

I considered SYW, but since this is a novel, and a long one at that, I didn't know if it would be appropriate. I thought for novels and stuff, only one chapter was allowed for SYW, not the whole book posted bit by bit.

troutkitty: Thank you so much <3 I'm really not into Erotica, my stuff is probably PG at best, but I'll send you a PM. I hope it works out!

WhiskeyGirl
06-10-2009, 12:39 AM
I'd be happy to beta an unfinished work. I used to write scripts so my specialty is being short winded and showing, not telling! How perfect is that :)

I actually came here looking for a beta for a piece I just finished, but I don't think it's fair to ask others to do what I'm not willing to do in return, so feel free to shoot me a line and I'll take a look. Having just finished a piece, I have plenty of spare time and need something to do to decompress before I start editing so I should be able to get you some feedback fairly quickly.

Matera the Mad
06-10-2009, 07:02 AM
I suggested the SYW posting because it gives a potential beta reader some idea of what to expect. Both you and the critters get acquainted, and the odds of finding a beta increase. The unknown can be off-putting.

MightierThanTheSword
06-10-2009, 08:51 AM
WhiskeyGirl: Wow, um, thank you! I'm afraid I already have my fair share of betas, though. I hate to tell anyone "no" but I feel like it's in poor form to have too many betas (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144361). I saw the topic you posted about your story...I'd've offered to look, myself, but sci-fi just isn't my bag, as close as it may seem to fantasy, so if you're looking to swap, I wouldn't be much help. Again, thank you so much for the offer, it's very generous, and of course you're still free to read it if you want, as I have part of it posted on my website, but I don't think it would be fair of me to accept another beta when there are other people still looking for one.

Matera: It's a great idea, and had I not gotten any responses to this thread I probably would have gone to SYW next. Right now I feel like the odds of finding a beta are pretty good! I'll leave SYW for posters who have no beta reader.

Matera the Mad
06-10-2009, 09:40 AM
It must be your siggy pic ;)