Is this just me or is it a motivational WTF!?!

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I need another perspective on this, care to share an opinion? I've been reading this book, and it's...ok. Not bad, but not OMG brilliant. Now one of the MC's is this chick, and she's a virgin - she doesn't trust men. This has been shown quite well and it's believable. But then she gets gang-raped. She spends the next few hours scrubbing herself raw. Fine, I get that. No problem. She meets a guy who helps her avoid the Big Bad and agrees to take her where she has to go. She's a bit ascared of him cos he's weird. But only a bit.

Feelings about the rape seem to fade away. After about a day. Hmm.

So, is it just me, or is it completely unbelievable that two days after the rape, she's with this guy she's ascared of, grabs him, snogs him, wrestles him to the mud and porks him?

No seduction, no him talking her into it, no ooh he's sooo kind and stuff. Not even a 'Well, if I pork him, it'll prove I don't have to be afraid,' which I coudl believe if done right. Although possibly not while she still got the bruises...She isn't afraid ( except that she won't please him) She just takes him by surprise, grabs him and bonks him.

And the motivation? I'm not 100% sure. The only motivation seems to be that 'he won't tell anyone', with a hint of 'this'll make me a virgin - he'll be my first' ( the only slightly believable bit imo, but it's very vague) and the stunning line 'because he is hard and I am wet'. Because rape victims get unbearably horny for men they don't know and are a bit scared of? Two days after the event?

I've read the passage three times now and I can't see any other reason. If he'd put in some sort of motivation that wasn't so vague I suppose maybe I could believe it. But it'd have to be good.

Is it just me, or is that a motivational WTF!?! It just seems so unbelievable. Has the author got some strange ideas about women? Or am I just being a non-typical woman in my reaction?

Or ( just as likely) am I missing something? Because I'm on the verge of flushing the book down the toilet.

ETA: During the course of the thread I've come to the conclusion it's not that she did this ( any motivation becomes plausible if written right, although physically this might be a stretch) - but that the motivations were not made clear by the author. So it's not what she's doing, it's the weak writing that's the problem.
 
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Sounds like a load of crap to me. Was it written by someone who did no research into the subject?
 

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Was it written by someone who did no research into the subject?

It was written by a man :D

I'm not sure whether to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just ignorant, or whether he's just got some really weird ideas about women. I wasn't sure for a while whether it was just me being weird, because it obviously got past editors etc.
 

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It's not just you.

Also, don't flush the book down the toilet. It's not good for the sewer / septic system (circle applicable). You want to use fire.
 

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Some rape victims become promiscuous after the event, but this involves some complicated psychology--attempts to control further sexual interaction, feelings that you're damaged goods and might as well give yourself away to anyone, things like that. It is not a positive coping mechanism. She'd be likely to dump him for the next attractive guy that comes along in this scenario.

If she was a virgin who was gang raped and she scrubbed herself raw, sex would be extremely painful in a purely physical sense, and hence any sex she has now would be a stunningly bad idea.
 

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Some rape victims become promiscuous after the event, but this involves some complicated psychology--attempts to control further sexual interaction, feelings that you're damaged goods and might as well give yourself away to anyone, things like that. It is not a positive coping mechanism. She'd be likely to dump him for the next attractive guy that comes along in this scenario.

Now if the writer had done something with that, I could have believed it. It was just glossed over, unfortunately, and I don't think you can gloss over something like that. Or not without giving some people my reaction.
 
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Any reaction would be believable if written well, but TWO DAYS AFTER? Pfft.
 

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Any reaction would be believable if written well,

Exactly - everyone's different and reactions will be too - but if you're going to have your character have a reaction that is so..er...surprising? then you'd better make damn sure your reasons / motivations / thought processes that lead to it are both clear and well written.
 

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My question is, How does that stuff get published????:crazy::Headbang::Huh:

This is my question also. How does an editor or anyone in publishing read this and does not have an issue with it?
 
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Wow. What are the odds that an ignorant writer would go on to find an ignorant agent AND an ignorant editor and publisher? Because you'd think that somewhere along the way somebody who knew something about the effects of rape would have said, "Hey, this is wonky."
 
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Sounds like a man-fantasy of how a woman would react.

ETA: Just to balance up my sexism...I recently read a couple of gay romances clearly written by a woman and they were SO OBVIOUSLY fem-fantasies of gay men. In my vast experience (!) I've never heard of a man taking it up the brown-eye and thinking, "Does this make me a woman?" and gushing out, "I love you, sugar!" They were nothing more than chicks with dicks.

Some people just can't write cross-gender.
 
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This is my question also. How does an editor or anyone in publishing read this and does not have an issue with it?
I know, right? This happens so often that I go through the list - okay, beta readers are likely, they missed it; the agent missed it; the editor missed it. Who is running the asylum?
 

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Wild guess, maybe it's intended to show how the experience made her go temporarily loopy, since porking a guy (is that the word for it??) is 'way off her usual behavior pattern.

-Derek
 

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Wild guess, maybe it's intended to show how the experience made her go temporarily loopy, since porking a guy (is that the word for it??) is 'way off her usual behavior pattern.

-Derek


I suppose that's possible. It would help if he bloody well showed it in the writing though :D
 

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I think I know exactly which book this is, because the scene in question was discussed a few months ago on a blog, and the author weighed in with his opinion on the matter. It was...interesting.
 

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I think I know exactly which book this is, because the scene in question was discussed a few months ago on a blog, and the author weighed in with his opinion on the matter. It was...interesting.

Oh, I wish you would link that. I love to know what he or she said.
 

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Yes, please link it. I vaguely remember the discussion, but wouldn't mind a refresher.
 

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I'd really like to hear the author on it.

I could totally see it, even that soon, with the right motivation. But the last thing she'd be worried about with the motivations that work is whether she's pleasing some new strange guy. It's just a huge logic fail, sounds like.
 

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I'm a fan of showing extreme emotional or physical reactions by having characters do something really "out of character"" when so stressed. But even those out of character moments have to be realistic. This example seems way over the to--at the very least physically, but probably also psychologically, unless some hints of psychological instability/peculiarity regarding sexuality were hinted at earlier in the story. But even then, I wouldn't even come close to writing something like this.
 
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