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Hello I am new here.

I just completed my first Christian Fiction book. It is more of a Christian fantasy book really.

How do I go about finding an agent? Should I even get an agent?

There are web pages where I can submit my manuscript directly to publishers. Is this the right way to go?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Welcome, Ed!! So glad you signed on here!!!!! {I'm Robin B from PF!}


Are you referring to the pay-sites you can use? I would avoid them ---editors usually don't have time to look there, they are swamped with regular submissions.

Have you targeted any markets that publish stories like yours?
 
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Hey there, (I'm Rebekah from PF),

I would personally consider querying an agent for the book. There's a lot more written about that subject in some of the other forums here. I highly recommend reading through some of the threads to learn more about the process. You'll want to make sure your work is in top condition, and that you have a great query letter.

While this list is by no means comprehensive, it is a great place to start researching agents for Christian material. Search their websites when available to see what they are looking for. Also take a look at authors who have written similar books to yours. Who are their agents?

http://michaelhyatt.com/2007/11/literary-agents-who-represent-christian-authors.html
 

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Before signing with any agent or publisher, take a look at the Bewares and Background Check forum here at AW. Most of the well known scams are listed there. You can find an INDEX TO AGENTS, PUBLISHERS, AND OTHERS there too. If your agent/publisher isn't listed, start a thread and the friendly, helpful folks there will give you a very educated opinion.

You might also want to look at Christian Writers Conferences or Workshops. We've got a thread here about that too. That can be a really good way to get some feedback on your work to see if it ready for publication. It's also a good way to network and meet people in the industry. Some agents or publishers only take on writers they meet at conferences.

Lastly, don't necessarily limit yourself to Christian publishers or agents. Many secular markets are open to well written Christian fiction.
 

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Welcome, Ed!! So glad you signed on here!!!!! {I'm Robin B from PF!}


Are you referring to the pay-sites you can use? I would avoid them ---editors usually don't have time to look there, they are swamped with regular submissions.

Have you targeted any markets that publish stories like yours?

Hi Robin. Thanks for referring me to this site! I guess I should make sure that my book is polished. I feel some trepidation about posting it here for some reason. It's about 266 pages.

No i haven't even started looking. That's why I am here, and there is a TON to read and research. Could take a month :lol
 

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Hey there, (I'm Rebekah from PF),

I would personally consider querying an agent for the book. There's a lot more written about that subject in some of the other forums here. I highly recommend reading through some of the threads to learn more about the process. You'll want to make sure your work is in top condition, and that you have a great query letter.

While this list is by no means comprehensive, it is a great place to start researching agents for Christian material. Search their websites when available to see what they are looking for. Also take a look at authors who have written similar books to yours. Who are their agents?

http://michaelhyatt.com/2007/11/literary-agents-who-represent-christian-authors.html

Hi! Thanks for the link. I better start my research. If you'd like to critique my story, let me know ;-)
 

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Before signing with any agent or publisher, take a look at the Bewares and Background Check forum here at AW. Most of the well known scams are listed there. You can find an INDEX TO AGENTS, PUBLISHERS, AND OTHERS there too. If your agent/publisher isn't listed, start a thread and the friendly, helpful folks there will give you a very educated opinion.

You might also want to look at Christian Writers Conferences or Workshops. We've got a thread here about that too. That can be a really good way to get some feedback on your work to see if it ready for publication. It's also a good way to network and meet people in the industry. Some agents or publishers only take on writers they meet at conferences.

Lastly, don't necessarily limit yourself to Christian publishers or agents. Many secular markets are open to well written Christian fiction.


Thank you Roger. I am checking these threads out now. Great advice on the conferences.
 

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Hi Robin. Thanks for referring me to this site! I guess I should make sure that my book is polished. I feel some trepidation about posting it here for some reason. It's about 266 pages.

No i haven't even started looking. That's why I am here, and there is a TON to read and research. Could take a month :lol


No, definitely don't post the whole book here.

And getting it polished is an absolute must before submitting. :D
 

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Has anyone mentioned finding a local writer's group in your area? they can be really helpful in polishing your work, and brainstorming, and with marketing ideas.
 

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The standard way to get your manuscript in front of an editor is to do so through an agent. Most publishers won't accept unsolicitated manuscripts. There aren't a lot of Christian agents...several dozen, or so. You can get their names by Googling. You can also pick up agent's names by following some of their blogs and checking links. Rachelle Gardner has a pretty good one. Chip MacGregor does as well.

Be sure to check out each agent's website to find out things like will they take unsolicited submissions. Most will, a few don't. What are their submission guidelines...and so on.

You'll need to develop a query that attracts their interest. If they like the query, they'll request sample chapters. If they like the sample chapters, they'll request the full manuscript. If they like the full manuscript, they'll probably offer you representation.

Query in batches so you don't put all your eggs in one basket. The formula goes something like this: No requests for chapters = bad query. No request for fulls = weak first chapters. No request for representation after full = weak manuscript, poor plotting, flat characters, or a million other things that can be wrong with a book.

It's a long, hard road from completed manuscript to book in hand. The people on this site can help you along the way. I suggest you follow the Rejection & Dejection thread for a while. Lot's of good stuff there. If you haven't already done so, line up some beta readers who can give you feedback on you book.

Good Luck,
Peace and Blessings
 

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Definitely do the polishing. First drafts stink, just as a matter of principle. And definitely look for an agent before contacting publishers.

FWIW, there aren't a heck of a lot of agents who actively appreciate Christian fantasy. Ask me how I know. Rachelle and Chip, for instance, aren't interested. Steve Laube, Jan Dennis, and Alexander Field are some of the few who are truly enthusiastic and who will consider debut authors.

But don't even think about that until you've done a few rounds of revisions.
 

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Thank you all very much. I have 6 Beta readers, and have started to polish the book more. I am on my third rewrite now. I feel satisfied because all the Beta readers cried where I wanted them to, and laughed where I wanted them to. A couple readers live 3k miles from me :lol

Judg, so I do NEED an agent before I think of publishing? I thought agents will only "look" at you if you've already been published? No?

Thank every one of you for your help!
 

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The standard way to get your manuscript in front of an editor is to do so through an agent. Most publishers won't accept unsolicitated manuscripts. There aren't a lot of Christian agents...several dozen, or so. You can get their names by Googling. You can also pick up agent's names by following some of their blogs and checking links. Rachelle Gardner has a pretty good one. Chip MacGregor does as well.

Be sure to check out each agent's website to find out things like will they take unsolicited submissions. Most will, a few don't. What are their submission guidelines...and so on.

You'll need to develop a query that attracts their interest. If they like the query, they'll request sample chapters. If they like the sample chapters, they'll request the full manuscript. If they like the full manuscript, they'll probably offer you representation.

Query in batches so you don't put all your eggs in one basket. The formula goes something like this: No requests for chapters = bad query. No request for fulls = weak first chapters. No request for representation after full = weak manuscript, poor plotting, flat characters, or a million other things that can be wrong with a book.

It's a long, hard road from completed manuscript to book in hand. The people on this site can help you along the way. I suggest you follow the Rejection & Dejection thread for a while. Lot's of good stuff there. If you haven't already done so, line up some beta readers who can give you feedback on you book.

Good Luck,
Peace and Blessings

Thank you for this great advice. I hope I don't get too depressed looking at the rejections :lol
 

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We all get those dreaded rejections, even after starting to publish. Save them though, they prove to the IRS you are writing as a business (and can take certain deductions.)
 

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Judg, so I do NEED an agent before I think of publishing? I thought agents will only "look" at you if you've already been published? No?
No and no.

Second point first. Many agents, if not the majority, are willing to consider unpublished authors. Few of them are willing to shut the door to the next big thing. You also have to be realistic and understand that apart from agents just starting to build their list, they aren't going to take on very many new names in a year, but it happens. Depending on the agent and the year, I'd say between one to ten new clients in a year. That's a guesstimate, of course, based on what I've seen agents report, and will vary wildly depending on several major factors.

Now the first point. Large publishers with very few exceptions will refuse to look at unagented submissions or even queries. You stand a better chance with small, independent (not to be confused with vanity presses) publishers, BUT...

It's better to start by looking for an agent. First, agented authors make more money, even taking into account an agent's commission. Second, an agent will likely be able to head much faster for editors who actually want your kind of work. It's their job to know such things. Third, and sufficient unto itself, if you shop your work to every agent without success, you are still free to look for a publisher on your own. The reverse is not true. If you shop your work to publishers and they turn you down, agents are not going to touch you. You've burned all the markets. If you made newbie mistakes in the process (like mistaking harassment of publishers for persistence), you may have burned them long-term. Much better to have an agent standing in the way of the more egregious mistakes.

I would suggest reading some agent and editor blogs to get an idea of how things work, and what their day-to-day life is like. It can be quite an eye-opener to realize, for instance, that phoning an agent who hasn't already signed you up is a major faux pas. This isn't at all obvious to someone who doesn't know what an agent's day is like and it's very good stuff to know. Topnotch agent blogs are: Nathan Bransford, Rachelle Gardner, Chip MacGregor, Jennifer Faust, Jennifer Jackson, Janet Reid, and the much-lamented Miss Snark. Never mind that most of these wouldn't represent Christian fantasy; most of the info is generic and very useful.

Glad to hear your betas are reacting well; that's a good sign. Don't tell an agent that though. They don't care. Unless they know your betas personally and trust their opinion, it means about as much to them as saying your mother loves you.

Whatever you do, DON'T consider Publish America. Before you consider much of anybody, check the Bewares forum here, for that matter. There are all kinds of scam artists willing to sell you your own dream, some of them agents.
 

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Another thing: If you can get it published without an agent, it might be best to. Then, when you know your book has been accepted, you can contact agents telling them you need representation. This is of course the rare option (but if you got it, you got it) yet I think one to keep in mind.


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Sounds like you've been through this a few times ;)

I went to 3 agent blogs that you have suggested. They are a well of great information. I love Alexander Field's blog. Thanks for that too. I'll probably query him first.

Is there a forum here about actually writing a query? I'm a bit nervous about creating my first one.

I truly appreciate your advice. I think getting an agent is now my first objective, after I am completely finished polishing my novel.

I have looked at the beware posts, and they saved me twice. This place is great for any aspiring writer.

- Ed

No and no.

Second point first. Many agents, if not the majority, are willing to consider unpublished authors. Few of them are willing to shut the door to the next big thing. You also have to be realistic and understand that apart from agents just starting to build their list, they aren't going to take on very many new names in a year, but it happens. Depending on the agent and the year, I'd say between one to ten new clients in a year. That's a guesstimate, of course, based on what I've seen agents report, and will vary wildly depending on several major factors.

Now the first point. Large publishers with very few exceptions will refuse to look at unagented submissions or even queries. You stand a better chance with small, independent (not to be confused with vanity presses) publishers, BUT...

It's better to start by looking for an agent. First, agented authors make more money, even taking into account an agent's commission. Second, an agent will likely be able to head much faster for editors who actually want your kind of work. It's their job to know such things. Third, and sufficient unto itself, if you shop your work to every agent without success, you are still free to look for a publisher on your own. The reverse is not true. If you shop your work to publishers and they turn you down, agents are not going to touch you. You've burned all the markets. If you made newbie mistakes in the process (like mistaking harassment of publishers for persistence), you may have burned them long-term. Much better to have an agent standing in the way of the more egregious mistakes.

I would suggest reading some agent and editor blogs to get an idea of how things work, and what their day-to-day life is like. It can be quite an eye-opener to realize, for instance, that phoning an agent who hasn't already signed you up is a major faux pas. This isn't at all obvious to someone who doesn't know what an agent's day is like and it's very good stuff to know. Topnotch agent blogs are: Nathan Bransford, Rachelle Gardner, Chip MacGregor, Jennifer Faust, Jennifer Jackson, Janet Reid, and the much-lamented Miss Snark. Never mind that most of these wouldn't represent Christian fantasy; most of the info is generic and very useful.

Glad to hear your betas are reacting well; that's a good sign. Don't tell an agent that though. They don't care. Unless they know your betas personally and trust their opinion, it means about as much to them as saying your mother loves you.

Whatever you do, DON'T consider Publish America. Before you consider much of anybody, check the Bewares forum here, for that matter. There are all kinds of scam artists willing to sell you your own dream, some of them agents.
 

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There is a passworded subforum under Share Your Work for Queries. The password is vista. The only reason for the password is to keep Google bots out.

Read some of the queries and the comments that others have given about them. As always there is good advice and bad advice. You have to decide for yourself which is which. When you think you've learned enough, post your own and see what people think.

Here is an unconventional format that I like.
 

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I can't say I've been through it a lot of times. I have an agent, but that's as far as I've gotten. He's been going through some prolonged illness, so things have slowed to a crawl for me. What I did do is start researching and reading and joining this forum while I was still writing (and I'm slow) so I've had the opportunity to watch a lot of other people go through things and make the mistakes for me. ;) That way I don't have to. Not that I don't manage to make some on my own, but at least they're less obvious ones.

As for queries, in addition to what Roger said, the blogs you're reading probably have a ton of advice in that department too. Most of them have search options. Just keep in mind that there is not one single right way to query. This is a subjective business and what appeals to one will put another off. There's nothing much can be done about that. You will notice there are definite wrong ways to do it though that pretty much everybody agrees on.

Sounds like you're off to a good start. Keep us posted.
 

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There is a passworded subforum under Share Your Work for Queries. The password is vista. The only reason for the password is to keep Google bots out.

Read some of the queries and the comments that others have given about them. As always there is good advice and bad advice. You have to decide for yourself which is which. When you think you've learned enough, post your own and see what people think.

Here is an unconventional format that I like.

Thanks Roger. It's a keeper!
 

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Will keep you all posted. Let me know if I wear out my welcome.



I can't say I've been through it a lot of times. I have an agent, but that's as far as I've gotten. He's been going through some prolonged illness, so things have slowed to a crawl for me. What I did do is start researching and reading and joining this forum while I was still writing (and I'm slow) so I've had the opportunity to watch a lot of other people go through things and make the mistakes for me. ;) That way I don't have to. Not that I don't manage to make some on my own, but at least they're less obvious ones.

As for queries, in addition to what Roger said, the blogs you're reading probably have a ton of advice in that department too. Most of them have search options. Just keep in mind that there is not one single right way to query. This is a subjective business and what appeals to one will put another off. There's nothing much can be done about that. You will notice there are definite wrong ways to do it though that pretty much everybody agrees on.

Sounds like you're off to a good start. Keep us posted.
 

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I would respectfully disagree with Crenshaw. There are, of course, writers who have done it this way. There are also Christian writers who don't have an agent...they started working direct and have stayed that way. That said, if you shop your manuscript around to most of the Christian editors, who will your agent have to send it to? When you check, you'll find that most of the big houses are now divisions of the NY publishers and work only through agents anyway.

The way I'm working with my agent is just the opposite. Going in she said, "I'll submit this to all the publishers I work with. If I'm not able to sell it, I'll give it back to you so you can send it out to the smaller houses." This makes sense since the smaller houses generally don't pay advances...meaning there's nothing there for an agent to live on.

If you've reached the end of the road and still feel strongly that your book should be printed (note I said, printed not published) you can pursue that through any of a hundred or so firms.

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I just submitted my first query to Alexander Field. Now to wait...

Thank you all for your great advice. My Beta readers where a great help to me and my story line. I recommend everyone to get Beta readers.
 

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Great advice in this thread. I'd just add that you might want to post a draft of your query in the SYW forum to get feedback on it. Querying is an artform of its own with a whole set of rules. It's similar to sending out a job resume and it's arguably the most important writing you'll do as an author.
 
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