A whole series of questions about shared universes.

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These are questions specifically about authors and editors of shared universe works. Please help me? I'm roughing out an idea for a work in progress, and this information will help me form my outline. I'm not an idiot, really, but this info has been elusive in my searchings. I apologize for packing several questions into one thread.

The story idea:

A group of authors is invited to write for a shared universe (not a Real Life shared universe) and their story lines muddle the canon enough to cause problems for themselves, and the editors that handle the series.

The questions:

1. I realize that authors contributing to shared universes are usually given an accepted outline to follow, as well as rules that apply within the universe. How flexible are these rules and outlines? How far can an author deviate from the outline or rules and what happens if they deviate significantly?

2. How likely would it be that multiple authors contributing to a story arch would meet and share ideas and suggestions with one another?

3. What would happen if the editor/s involved in a shared universe decided that the contracted story arch did not match canon, or that they had decided to cancel the story arch before it was complete?

4. Would an editor or other controling entity that had power over canonicity (is that a word?) within the universe be upset with an author that followed canon, but did something within the confines of the story that the editor or controling entity did not like? What would they do about it?

5. (Specifically for anyone who has had experience editing or writing shared universe works). Would you, as an author or editor, be offended by a novel that poked fun (gently) at the difficulties that arise with large shared universes, the writing of shared universe works, and the fandoms that follow them?

Thanks for any help and information. I appeciate it, and I'll return to thank everyone at a later date.
 

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New question:

Does anyone know of an individual who has worked with shared universe works and would be willing to grant me an interview to answer these questions? (Please ask this individual permission before giving me any information. I'll assume that the individual has been warned before hand.)
 
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What person who would know the answers would be willing to let me interview them? Anybody have an idividual in mind that could answer these that doesn't frequent AW?

1. Thank you. I finally understand how a person (singular) can be them (plural). The person is in a shared universe and is many. Why did you all keep this a secret from me?

2. Now get that time portal off my driveway. Uterrahas are coming across in flocks and getting ofganahna all over my Chevy Malibu.
 

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Shail, I'm sure there are any number of shared universe authors who would be willing to answer a few questions from you. You just have to do the research to find them and their individual websites, blogs, and emails.

My suggestions, Start with somebody like GRR Martin (ed, the Wild Cards series), David Drake (ed, The Fleet series), Jerry Pournelle (ed, There Will Be War, War In Hell, and God alone probably knows how many other series).

It does not hurt to ask.

In addition, go find those series in your used book series. Jot down the names of the various authors and try to find them online.

I bet you have a lot more luck than you think you might.
 

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Look at comics.

Marvel and DC would be the biggest examples.

Not ALL characters inhabit the same universe, but many do and you do have separate writers dealing with a common universe that needs to have a continuity maintained. In some cases, you have several titles based around the same character (Batman, Superman, Spiderman).

In that situation it's an editor who is in charge of maintaining continuity.

A little google mojo and you can probably find some interviews with editors where they talk about what they do.

Hope that helps.
 

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4. Would an editor or other controlling entity that had power over canonicity (is that a word?) within the universe be upset with an author that followed canon, but did something within the confines of the story that the editor or controlling entity did not like? What would they do about it?

I can't specifically answer this with regards to your over-arching theme of a shared universe, but as an editor who has assigned topics to writers, and given them guidelines to follow, I think it would have to depend on the quality of the story. Generally speaking, as long as you follow the guidelines, then I'm less inclined to reject outright something you do within the story without first asking you.

That said, editor's and the PTB (Powers That Be) have the final say, and if you're planning on doing something major, that while strictly speaking would still be in canon, but would depart from the usual norms, it might be best to inquire first, as in asking the editor "I was thinking of doing *this*."

As both an editor and a writer, I have found that when substantive questions like this arise, it's always better if both parties are communicating *before* the fact, rather than after.

And bear in mind, large, but still canonical, shifts occur all the time. Sometimes they are well done, and sometimes they suck. As someone mentioned above, comics are a good example.

(With the whole "let's make a deal with the devil and ret-con EVERYTHING" story arc in Spider-man a glaring example of what sucks even when editors and writers agree.)
 

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Ah, thank you Boston. *giggle* I haven't read comics in years, but I've heard quite a bit about this 'ret-con deal with the devil' thing in the Spidey comics. Agreed. Sometime editors do things that they believe will hold the reader's interest, and then discover the reverse is true. Ooops.
 

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Shail,

While it never came to fruition, back in 1995, I created a shared-world comic that took advantage of all the various comic personalities who hung out on COMPUSERVE.

I created the basic world and the "NPC's", so to speak, that all the authors and artists were free to use along with their own characters. We had some basic rules, to include requesting permission to use someone else's original characters; not killing off someone else's original character (it was designed to be a six-issue series and some authors/artists would be in more than one book); not destroying the main building where the stories took place; not violating the basic story bible, which was issued to everyone who wanted to pitch a story; various things like that.

We had a pretty good line-up too considering that was when COMPUSERVE was the place to hang out if you were in comics. Hell, I even had Warren Ellis, Paul Jenkins and Bernie Wrightson contributing stories. (Stories could be 4, 8, 12 or 16 pages . . . each issue was to be 64 pages).

Unfortunately 1995 was the start of a contraction in the comic business . . . esp. if you were doign B&W and the publishers we had most hoped would pick it up eventually rejected it. Dark Horse was the closest I got to publication, but the EIC rejected it after the editor I pitched it to fell in love with it. Such is life.

Yeah, that would have been my first "editor" credit also.

If you have other questions, feel free to contact me here or at r_white at nightwolfgraphics dot com and I'll pass on what I remember/know.