Why Loony Toons are Gone

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After discussing the censorship of Sesame Street, I think as many people start talking about Loony Toons, that I would bring up a this little tidbit.

Classic cartoons are a thing of the past. As a matter of fact, they don't even air any of the Loony Toons on any Basic Cable Station anymore. Gone are the days of watching Bugs Bunny smash Elmer Fudd at the beginning of Nick at Nite or seeing Peppe Le Pew try and seduce a resistant cat on TNT. Hell, the only classic cartoon shorts that you even get to see anymore are the Tom and Jerry ones. For a 1/2 hour on Cartoon Network, when most of us are working, and sadly, they pick all the ones that are "less violent" to watch.

Consider why we cannot have these cartoons in today's world.

I will start with Wile E. Coyote. If the Coyote were brought into today's world, instead of obsessing over eating the Road Runner for dinner, he would be living the high life in a penthouse suite, being catered to by beautiful women coyotes and being served road runner or whatever other poultry he desired on a nightly basis. How would he do this you ask? Well, this would come from the money he received after he sued the ACME company for all the faulty equipment he was sold. Of course the ACME Corporation would settle for no less than $10 million, because they won't want the bad press or sadly being known as a company who will sell to animal.

Peppe Le Pew, the great French womanizer. He would be enjoying a prison cell with his new buddy Harold. You see, Peppe, would first have paternity and sexual harrassment suits filed against him. This would cause him to delve into the darkness where all he knows is self-pity and misery. This will get him attached to the lips to his good friend Jack Daniels. There will be one night, where Peppe will drink so much to hide his agony, that he will simply black out. He will wake up in some strange bed, next to some strange woman who will claim he raped her. After a long and litigious process, he will eventually get sentenced for 8 - 10 in the state correctional facility and suffer through hours of therapy, pretty much neutering him of any desire to claim a woman as his own ever again.

Elmer Fudd - well, let's just say that he would finally come out of the closet, and he would move in with his cross dressing buddy Bugs. The two of them would eventually move to San Francisco, where they can live a non-judgemental life.

Daffy Duck would be put into speech therapy and would come out with an incredible singing voice, and be the next American Idol.

Speedy Gonzales would be deported back to Mexico once INS caught up with him and his crystal meth lab.

Slow Poke Roderiguez would also be deported, but after being busted for
possession of marijuana.

Tweety would file a restraining order against Sylvester, and Granny would probably have the cat put down.

Then of course there's Foghorn Leghorn, who wouldn't do anything but watch
NASCAR on TV and go to his Klan meetings.

We can't forget Yosemite Sam, I just think he would be one of those postal workers who'd go into work one day and shoot the place up. (Okay, so that would make a good cartoon)

Anyway, as you can see, we really can't have these cartoons in today's world. They no longer fit. That is not to say that I wouldn't like to see them bring back the Loony Toons full force. I think we need a little non-imitatable violence on TV, but that's for another post.
 

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I heart Looney Tunes.
They make me :roll:
... especially Daffy :)

ps Plz keep this to yourself.
I'm trying to maintain an air of sophistication on this message board ;-)
 

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Loony Toons is aired here on Teletoon Retro. They're chopped up a bit, but the gist is still there.

My daughter is studying Animation at Sheridan College. Aside from hard work rendering backgrounds and working on character development, she gets to spend lots of time watching the classics. Our love of the classic cartoon certainly rubbed off on her, because she thoroughly enjoys the more violent Bugs Bunny toons!

"Bagdad? I wish I could go to Bagdad!" Bugs
 

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It's been over 20 years now since bored soccer moms went trying to dictate their morality to the whole of the country. Are we safer now? Has there been less taste for violence, since the kids didn't watch it? The generation raised without cartoon violence are nicer to each other now, right?
 

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It's been over 20 years now since bored soccer moms went trying to dictate their morality to the whole of the country. Are we safer now? Has there been less taste for violence, since the kids didn't watch it? The generation raised without cartoon violence are nicer to each other now, right?

Actually, it's been about 40 years since they emasculated Space Ghost, caged the Herculoids and clipped Birdman's wings, and turned Saturday morning over to those meddling kids in the psychedelic van, Sid & Marty Krofft and truncated classics. A pox upon them.
 

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Actually, it's been about 40 years since they emasculated Space Ghost, caged the Herculoids and clipped Birdman's wings, and turned Saturday morning over to those meddling kids in the psychedelic van, Sid & Marty Krofft and truncated classics. A pox upon them.

I remember watching Jonnny Quest with my pops. Those were the days.

The funny (strange? sad? scary?) thing is that the cartoon violence kids are into now (and even when I was younger) isn't all that "cartoony." My nephews were big into Avatar the Last Airbender (and I may have sort of kept up with the show from time to time) and the goofy head-bonking "violence" of Bugs Bunny (which was never specifically meant for kids anyhow) has been replaced by people throwing Ha-Dou-Ken fireballs and stuff.

I think the overall lack of Loony Tunes style violence isn't about censorship, and certainly isn't entirely gone. Spongebob gets almost horrific at times (or...you know... so I've heard). I think it's just about the market and the product adapting to that market. The cartoon violence is still there it's just in a different capacity.

Plus I think it's also more about making characters whose actions are a bit easier to justify. Let's face it, Bugs was often an outright a-hole...
 

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... another thing about Looney Tunes was that they were intended for adults and aired in movie theaters between pictures, I believe. So they LT might be compared to the Simpsons, but not to kid toons, really.
 

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ps Plz keep this to yourself.
I'm trying to maintain an air of sophistication on this message board ;-)


Too late :)

I miss idiots, explosives and falling anvils. Who gave a popcorn fart about political correctness back then. Cartoons were fun, over the top and outrageous and that's what made them great
 

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May I ask, is it mostly twentysomethings in her classes (Animation), or older or younger?

Loony Toons is aired here on Teletoon Retro. They're chopped up a bit, but the gist is still there.

My daughter is studying Animation at Sheridan College. Aside from hard work rendering backgrounds and working on character development, she gets to spend lots of time watching the classics. Our love of the classic cartoon certainly rubbed off on her, because she thoroughly enjoys the more violent Bugs Bunny toons!

"Bagdad? I wish I could go to Bagdad!" Bugs
 

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It is a shame.

One reason why Looney Toons was so great is that it gave all Americans a common platform.

Before the advent of cable (really starting in the 90s) all generations grew up with a common platform. We all saw the reruns of those 'older' shows and we all got our dose of Sesame Street, Reading Rainbow, Electric Company, Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, Looney Toons, Johhny Quest, Smurfs, etc. etc.

Now, I fear there is no common platform. There are simply TOO MANY SHOWS, similarly, the great shows of the past are gone.

Believe it or not, Looney Toons is genuis. THe humor in those cartoons hit multiple levels, adults as well as children. They sneak in great historical references, double entendres, science and literary references. Plus, they are f-ing HILARIOUS

*sigh*

it is a shame.

But I predict that in about 10 - 20 years, there will be a revival of the classics.

Mel...
 

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Actually, it's been about 40 years since they emasculated Space Ghost, caged the Herculoids and clipped Birdman's wings, and turned Saturday morning over to those meddling kids in the psychedelic van, Sid & Marty Krofft and truncated classics. A pox upon them.


Is it a good or bad thing that I'm only twenty something and I remember Space Ghost, Herculoids, and Birdman? And I remember and love the Looney Tunes of old too. Geeze.
 
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They still show classic cartoons on Boomerang. I think that is the bulk of their programming, I believe.

I don't know, some kids shows today can get away with quite a bit. Nudity is frequent in Spongebob Squarepants. Grim Adventures with Billy and Mandy...well, that speaks for itself, doesn't it? Some shows get pretty mature with subject matter, too. Digimon, for example. Yet I don't ever hear people upset about these currently running shows. It only seems to be the older shows people get upset about.
 

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May I ask, is it mostly twentysomethings in her classes (Animation), or older or younger?

I think they're mostly early twenties. She's nineteen and turning twenty in a couple of weeks, but most of her classmates went through Art Fundamentals so they could get into the Animation program.

My daughter's situation might be different, because her father and I absolutely loved classical Warner Bros, Disney, Bluth, Bird, Fleischmann etc... We went to cartoon festivals (those were REALLY politically incorrect) and taped morning cartoons to entertain the kids as much as they entertained us.

Sure, she was subjected to Pokemon and Sailor Moon, but she also enjoyed Tiny Toons as a little tykette.
 

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I don't know, some kids shows today can get away with quite a bit. Nudity is frequent in Spongebob Squarepants.

Donald Duck never wore pants, yet Mickey Mouse did. ????? When Donald lost his shirt, he covered his crotch in embarrassment. I don't get it.

I remember a dog scooting around in a 40's cartoon, his ass scraping on the floor. He stopped and said to the audience, "I could get to like this."
 

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I was watching some Bullwinkle and Rocky DVDs with my six year old niece, and I'd forgotten just how hilarious those shows were. Years ago my parents would watch along with me when I was a little thing, and they and I would giggle at different moments. And that's exactly what happened with me and the kidlet.
 

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My favorite cartoons always have been and always will be Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys.

I mean, its got Jerry Doyle, Michal Dorn, Maurice LaMarch AND Malcolm McDowel!

As monkeys!

IN SPACE!
 

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I was watching some Bullwinkle and Rocky DVDs with my six year old niece, and I'd forgotten just how hilarious those shows were. Years ago my parents would watch along with me when I was a little thing, and they and I would giggle at different moments. And that's exactly what happened with me and the kidlet.
Bullwinkle was famous for having different forms of humor for both children and adults. I hesitate to call it "adult humor" because it didn't have anything inappropriate, but quite a few of the jokes go over the heads of children, and you only get them if you're above a certain knowledge level.
 

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Is it bad that I didn't like the Loony Toons?

No. Don't feel bad. I didn't like them either.

I do think its bad, however, that most of the dedicated fans in this thread have spelled it wrong. Looney Toons.
 

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Those guys -- Disney, Bluth, etc -- are all gods and it's nice to see Bluth still going at it, with his next film due maybe next year. Maybe, hopefully.

Have there ever been thirtysomethings in any of those classes, or would the school consider that too old to start out?

I think they're mostly early twenties. She's nineteen and turning twenty in a couple of weeks, but most of her classmates went through Art Fundamentals so they could get into the Animation program.

My daughter's situation might be different, because her father and I absolutely loved classical Warner Bros, Disney, Bluth, Bird, Fleischmann etc... We went to cartoon festivals (those were REALLY politically incorrect) and taped morning cartoons to entertain the kids as much as they entertained us.

Sure, she was subjected to Pokemon and Sailor Moon, but she also enjoyed Tiny Toons as a little tykette.
 

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Cartoon Network Latin America still shows two or three hours of Looney Toons, Popeye and Tex Avery in the afternoons here. Heck, when I was little every saturday night Cartoon Network had the Tex Avery hour.

I have to concur on the fact TV shows are becoming more and more about their demographic groups and less to try to unite people, or if they try to bring people from other demographics, they do it poorly. Now kid shows are kid shows, teenage shows are teenage shows and adult shows are adult shows; that's why I love Avatar: The Last Good Show In Nickelodeon so much, it brought a good story with lovable characters to all, that's why Pixar films works as well.