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Okay, so DC Comics has decided to go and kill Batman. And I don't mean Bruce Wayne isn't going to be Batman anymore, I mean Batman is stone dead. They have been talking about doing this for a few years now. But, I have to say that I wasn't sure they would actually do it. I mean, after all, he's Batman. He's not like Superman or one of the powered superheroes that they can find some kind of loophole for to bring him back. He is human. 100% Grade-A human being. Now, I know that this isn't over yet, and yes, I know that eventually they can, and probably will find a way to bring Bruce Wayne back. But until then, I need to voice my opinion on this.

Firstly, since Batman is one of DC's most popular characters, they aren't just going to get rid of him. So the question is, who is going to put on the cowl?

The obvious choice is Dick Grayson, the current Nightwing. I mean, he was Batman's protege since almost the beginning. He is the oldest and most experienced of the others, and what would make him the most interesting is that he doesn't want it. He already has a bunch of inner demons mounting within him, however adding that could put him over the edge and make him an even darker, grittier Batman.

Next up would be Jason Todd, recently back from the dead. He also doesn't seem interested in putting on the cowl. He would definitely bring more darkness to the character than we have seen in years because of one fact: he isn't afraid to kill. Imagine the fun that could be had when we have a truly evil Batman.

Tim Drake is the next choice. He is the current Robin, and he seems to be the most eager to put the cowl on. It is his inexperience that would make him an interesting character to put on the mask. However, he is much more lighthearted than Bruce is, so we would have to see him fall into the darkness.

Of course, it could be someone new. Someone we haven't seen before. However, as I believe that would piss off a lot of fans, I doubt DC will do that. Put your thoughts in on this. I welcome them.
 

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Batman's not dead. He'll be back in about two seconds, and by Batman, I mean Bruce Wayne. Bruce is the only Batman. I don't know why DC (and Marvel) don't learn their lessons. By killing characters constantly and resurrecting them they undermine their own ability to tell powerful stories. It really drives me nuts. Please Marvel, kill Jean Grey again...because it's just too emotionally stable to watch her not die every three seconds.

I don't ever think Batman should die because he's an iconic character that I'm happy to have live on forever so long as he remains interesting and relevant and badass - he's also my favorite character by about a mile (see avatar). So I don't ever want DC killing him, that said, the only thing worse than killing him is fake killing him.

I'm sure it will be Dick Grayson, he's the only one that makes real sense. But without too much time passing I'm sure Bruce will be back. And quite frankly, if he's not? I'll be pissed. Bruce Wayne is my only Batman, that's for damn sure.

Can you tell I'm unhappy about this stupid DC storyline? grumble grumble grumble.

Did you see the project:rooftop competition to design the "New Batman"? Some great design work.

http://www.tencentticker.com/projectrooftop/2009/03/26/batman-20-the-dynamic-do-over-winners/
 

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While I don't disagee with you Myrmidon - and by the way Sunshadow, they've done the vampire thing - I did say the same thing about Steve Rogers and Captain America. I said that there was some kind of loophole and they would bring him back, and yes, they did the whole thing with the Red Skull, but to my knowledge, Bucky is still Cap right now.

I don't like the death of Batman anymore than you do. Since he is human, there aren't any loopholes to bring him back. The only one I can think of would be the Lazarus Pit. This would make a pretty interesting story, such as Dick (who would be Batman) finding Bruce's body that has been preserved by some sick and twisted villain, then seeking out R'as Al Ghul (I'm probably not spelling it right) and with the help of Talia and Damion, convincing him that his greatest adversary deserves to live. Then, as Bruce returns, you can get that whole bit about how being ressurected in the Pit gives him dementia and makes him more violent and brutal than usual, and show how he overcomes that.

But, because I just came up with that, it probably means that DC won't do it, because they never take my ideas (as much as I try to convince them otherwise).
 

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Batman already died in the future - Dark Knight. Comic characters never stay dead.
 

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Actually, the Dark Knight Returns isn't what is considered to be canon. In other words, it's sort of an alternate reality Batman.

However, he is right. In the Teen Titans a couple of years ago, they travelled ten years in the future in which Batman is dead and Tim is the new Batman. Something to consider.
 

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Good comic ideas usually get turned around when some idiot a new enthusiastic writer comes by. It happened to Jean Grey, to Spider-man's marriage, and to Ultimate Beast, to say a few. Batman's death isn't gonna last more than a "What then?" crossover, followed by the big twist about how he survived/faked his death.
 

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Bat Man was also my favorite. But I haven't followed any of them since the 1970s. In my opinion, that's when comic books ceased. I still go back and read my old issues, and wonder what ever happened to comic books.
 

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Actually, not to be contrary Kaiser-Kun, but the breaking up of Spider-Man's marriage wasn't because of some hot shot new writer. It was because Joe Quesada (the current editor-in-chief over at Marvel) grew up reading Spider-Man when he wasn't married and liked him better that way. He felt that Spider-Man was better off without a permanent woman in his life, so he offed her. There will be no hope for change in this matter until after Quesada has stepped back from being editor-in-chief. However, by the time that happens, they would probably have done so many things, that the fans will get pissed off by bringing him and MJ back together.

However, having Batman fake his death is not out of the question. I am not going to even comment on the whole survivor thing considering that Superman found the body.
 
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Actually, not to be contrary Kaiser-Kun, but the breaking up of Spider-Man's marriage wasn't because of some hot shot new writer. It was because Joe Quesada (the current editor-in-chief over at Marvel) grew up reading Spider-Man when he wasn't married and liked him better that way. He felt that Spider-Man was better off without a permanent woman in his life, so he offed her. There will be no hope for change in this matter until after Quesada has stepped back from being editor-in-chief. However, by the time that happens, they would probably have done so many things, that the fans will get pissed off by bringing him and MJ back together.

However, having Batman fake his death is not out of the question. I am not going to even comment on the whole survivor thing considering that Superman found the body.

True, I stand corrected. :eek:

What bothers me is that things in comics that have been ongoing since over fifty years ago is that they run out of plot lines. Kidnap the girlfriend? Done. New enemy? Done. New sidekick? Done three times. Kill sidekick? Done. Revive the sidekick? Done. Fake the hero's death? Done. Kill him? Done. Revive him? Done. Close friend or relative ill? Done. Leave the cape? Done...
 

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That is true, they have done a lot. However, they haven't killed a character and left them dead before. Especially Batman.

Now, I'm not saying I believe he will stay dead. But I do believe that they have a great storyline coming up. No matter who donns the cape and cowl.

Tim, Dick, Jason, or someone new. No matter what, it is going to be an interesting read.
 

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And don't get me wrong. I'm pissed they even thought about killing Bruce. But I've learned to go with the flow because good crap usually comes of it.
 

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It's time for some new heroes. Batman and Spidey (not to mention Superman) are coming off as stiffs in their recent films. The only fun thing is the villains.

So let's have something new. Maybe just start with a villain and have him go through a series of challenges from flawed heroes?

How about some Third World main characters?
 

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If Grant Morrison's overrated and incomprehensible "Final Crisis" and "Batman: R.I.P." storylines didn't kill the Batman, nothing can.

Not even Frank Miller's "I'm the goddamn Batman."

:e2smack:
 

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Bruce Wayne isn't dead, the omega beams sent him soemwhere in time, that's all.
 

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Okay. And where did one get that information? Because I have never known the Omega Beams to do anything like that.
 

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I believe it's in Final Crisis 7. It's already been said Bruce isn't dead- they just made him appear to die in RIP. Tim will probably figure out how to bring him back soon enough. I'm just annoyed they canceled Nightwing and Robin's books for this.
 

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Okay. And where did one get that information? Because I have never known the Omega Beams to do anything like that.

You have to decipher the nigh incomprehensible texts of Final Crisis to find the answer.
 

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Agree with Axler.

It's a good PR move after the HUGE success of the Dark Knight movie. It gets people talking. However, it's an exercise in futility as far as caring about what actually happens to Bruce Wayne. DC's movie properties are tied to the whole Bruce Wayne/Alfred/Mansion/parents killed by robber/angst/bigger than life essence that is Batman. And while the comics are a lessor property than the movies, what's been uttered above is absolutely true: they die andthey come back -- at some point.

However, I'll go with "a good PR move to get folks talking after the enormous success of the movie."
 

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This is just another example of how insular and inbred the mainstream comics market has become..desperately trying to find new ways to appeal to an ever-shrinking consumer base.

I completely agree. I wish that at least Detective Comics could just be self-contained, insular stories that anyone could pick up, read, and enjoy.

I do enjoy some of Marvel's Ultimate universe, and had high hopes for All-Star Batman and Robin, but it's only been good for campy laughs thus far.

At least it makes it easier to decide what comics to have on my pull list.
 

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It's true that they will likely bring Bruce Wayne back... eventually. With emphasis on the eventually. However, it could be a while. Imagine the PR they would get for bringing Bruce back just in time for the next movie (when and if they will make one (and may God smote you if you actually believe the crap they say about how Johnny Depp has been cast as Riddler, because that's all it is, crap)). I say it will be a while because as of right now, there are no talks about actually making another Batman movie. Which means, it is a couple years in coming at least. So, in the meantime, Batman (Bruce) remains dead.
 

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Dead, back broken, in a coma, wandering around with amnesia...

Who the hell cares?

All the same desperate ploys concocted by fanboys turned editors whose priority is showing an uptick in sales, no matter how fractional, rather than return to their jobs stocking shelves at Toys R' Us.

The creepy pedophiliac overtones of All-Star Batman and Robin is a good case in point.
 
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