What does a new writer want to know most about screenwriting?

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I'm researching for material to use on my screenwriting 101 blog, and I've decided that the best advice would come directly from those who are new to, yet passionate about, screenwriting and are in need of guidance from experienced writers.

So, when you're searching the net for valuable information, or reading an article or blog for assistance, what would you like to see more of, what would you like to learn in more depth and what information on screenwriting can you simply not find anywhere but desperately need to know?

As far as formatting, I think I've nearly covered ALL of it in my blog, but if you still have some queries about it, post it!
 

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Hahaha, I was going to say formatting.

The next question out of their mouths is about sending it in only they are very rarely ready for it. So I'd say when you know your ready to send it in and what to do from there.
 

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The next question out of their mouths is about sending it in only they are very rarely ready for it.

Very true.

I think there's often a disconnect between what new writers want to know about screenwriting and what they need to know.

What they need to know are the basics of story - structure, theme, character development, conflict, dialogue, climax, etc.

What they need to know is how to write descriptions that are brief but draw the reader in and dialogue that sounds like real people talk but is more interesting than what real people say, and reflects the world view and personality of the character who is speaking.

What they need to know is that screenwriting is difficult craft to master and they need to master it to order write a marketable script. Millions of people play golf, but of those millions only a small percentage play it well enough to be in the PGA (or LPGA). Hollywood is a professional marketplace and they are seeking professional caliber scripts.

While formatting is important - it's merely mechanics. You need to know how to use certain kitchen appliances in order to prepare certain foods - but knowing how to operate those appliances doesn't make you a chef.

Knowing the different script elements and the proper margins does not mean you know anything about drama, story or screenwriting.
 

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I think what's missing from the web is a site dedicated exclusively to screenplays and posts them for writers to read for free or by subscription at least. I would pay for that.
It would also be interesting to have access to earlier drafts of produced screenplays and be able to see the work in progress and how revisions altered the original. There are sites that also post screenplays but I still don't think there is one place to go that has a comperhensive list and most of the time it's only Hollywood screenplays.
 

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I think what's missing from the web is a site dedicated exclusively to screenplays and posts them for writers to read for free or by subscription at least. I would pay for that.
It would also be interesting to have access to earlier drafts of produced screenplays and be able to see the work in progress and how revisions altered the original. There are sites that also post screenplays but I still don't think there is one place to go that has a comperhensive list and most of the time it's only Hollywood screenplays.

There are several places that have hollywood screenplays free to read. There is a sticky filled with links at the top of this forum.
 

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I am currently trying my hand at screenwriting and what I'd like to know is this:

- how many redrafts do you do? It would be cool to use an example of a finished (and sold) script and explain how it was written, from the original idea to the final draft. It would make for a pretty in depth article but totally worth it.
- how much do you visualise the film in your head?
- I often hear about scenes not making the final cut of a film. So do you write a script slightly longer than you think is necessary, to give the director the option to delete some scenes, or do you write your script keeping only the scenes that you consider to be essential for the flow of the story?
- are there specific requirements for a script to be shot as a low-budget film, such as avoiding night scenes, or avoiding the need for huge crowds etc?
- how do you get to meet directors who are looking for scripts? I'm talking at a local low-budget level, I'm not expecting a ticket to Hollywood.

I'm sure I've got other questions but I can't think about them right now!
 

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I am currently trying my hand at screenwriting and what I'd like to know is this:

- how many redrafts do you do? It would be cool to use an example of a finished (and sold) script and explain how it was written, from the original idea to the final draft. It would make for a pretty in depth article but totally worth it.!

I agree. You learn a lot about how films are made by reading interviews of people involved. It's a good way to find out what kinds of concessions and adjustments are being made.

![/quote]- how much do you visualise the film in your head?![/quote]

I think you want to visualize everything. Screenwriting is all about imagining what will be seen on the screen. It's helpful to sometimes read through your script with visualizing it in mind and momentarily turn off the writer/editor switch.

![/quote]- I often hear about scenes not making the final cut of a film. So do you write a script slightly longer than you think is necessary, to give the director the option to delete some scenes, or do you write your script keeping only the scenes that you consider to be essential for the flow of the story?![/quote]

I think you need to shoot for the best draft you can deliver. You don't write more than you feel is necessary. That being said, you want to keep in mind industry standards about length.

![/quote]- are there specific requirements for a script to be shot as a low-budget film, such as avoiding night scenes, or avoiding the need for huge crowds etc?![/quote]

Well, if you write:
INT. NEW YORK, METROPOLITAN OPERA - NIGHT
A performance of Traviata in progress.

...you've pretty much lost the indie producers. And that's not even the best example but you get my point.

![/quote]- how do you get to meet directors who are looking for scripts? I'm talking at a local low-budget level, I'm not expecting a ticket to Hollywood.![/quote]

I think the best way if you don't have representation or awards etc is to approach them individually and ask politely either through e-mail ro query letter if they'd read your script. My understanding is that a director who makes low-budget "local" films would be rather accessible. A lot of indie directors produce their own stuff so you cna contact them through their production companies. I leave it ot others on here to answer this in more detail.:)
 

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Ok, I'm getting some ideas here. I want to focus my blog on TEACHING the writer to write their scpript, not only technically correct, but also showing them how to work the creative aspect in, keeping the story mechanics intact.

I don't really plan to do much harping on the "you're not ready to send in your script" and "hollywood doesn't want you" bologna-- they can get that anywhere. I want to focus on teaching them and giving an equal opportunity to everyone, whether they will be the next Tarantino or not.

To me, this is important because too few writers are willing to do this. Once they start figuring things out for themselves and learning and becoming better at what they do, they become more closed off to sharing their knowlege and when they do, it seems to be a bit vague, contrived, trite, etc. Almost as if they're coming from a "I figured it out myself, now you do the same" approach. Which is understandable-- considering the amount of learning and understanding that one has to achieve. It's not as easy as learning how to do taxes or something. It is a bit easier to try and teach it and give advice! So, that's what I do in the 'off-season' of my writing.

Yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands, but I use it all productively. Also, helping other writers has taught me a great deal, as well.

So, I do have some material ideas from the responses here thus far. Keep them coming and if you're a new writer, help yourself to my collection and perspective... my blog, I mean.
 

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To me, this is important because too few writers are willing to do this. Once they start figuring things out for themselves and learning and becoming better at what they do, they become more closed off to sharing their knowlege and when they do, it seems to be a bit vague, contrived, trite, etc. Almost as if they're coming from a "I figured it out myself, now you do the same" approach. Which is understandable-- considering the amount of learning and understanding that one has to achieve.
This is odd, because I find the total opposite.

If we look at pro screenwriters who are sharing their knowledge and teaching everyone else for absolutely free - just a quick skim gives:

  • John August (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory/Charlie's Angels/Big Fish/Corpse Bride)
  • Derek Haas (3:10 to Yuma)
  • The Wibberleys (National Treasure)
  • [Redacted--JDM]
  • Jeff Lowell (Showrunner - Spin City)
  • Brian Koppelman (Runaway Jury, Oceans 13, etc)
  • Neal Marshall Stevens (Thir13en Ghosts)
  • Mike France (Cliff Hanger)
  • Jane Espenson (TV: Buffy, Gilmore Girls, Battlestar Galactica)
  • Ken Levine (TV: Cheers,Frasier,The Simpsons, Dharma & Greg, etc)
  • Larry Brody (TV: Hawaii Five-O, Six Million Dollar Man, Diabolik, Diagnosis Murder, Silver Surfer, etc)
  • John Rogers (TV:Leverage,Global Frequency. Film:Transformers)
  • Bill Cunningham (Proud writer of direct to DVD pulp - with titles like 'Piranha Park' !!)
  • Cheryl Heuton (TV: Creator & showrunner of 'Numb3rs')
  • James V. Simpson (Film: Armored)
  • Steven L. Sears (TV: Xena.. Showrunner-Sheena)
  • Howard Michael Gould (TV: Showrunner-Cybill)
  • Ryan Condal (Film: Galahad (2010))
... and plenty more.

I guess I've always been impressed by how much the established writers I've met have been willing to help for no benefit to themselves. Instead of being closed off about sharing their knowledge, after a few drinks you can't get them to shut up about their pet subject !!!

Good luck !

Mac
 
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You left out David Mamet. Check his absolutely brilliant book Bambi Vs Godzilla, which covers everything from readers to financing and a wealth of his influences, religious and creative.
 

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I'm not a screen write author, But an actor for traditional theater.

And we's HATES when an author puts movement ques, in the middle of a line, which finishes the line, and then the next word is a characters name.

Or when the movement cues are sprinkled in among the lines. Yea, that kind of stuff in general makes the play hard to act and really annoying. And has resulted an actor or two from getting slammed into a piece of set that should have been moved by a character in an earlier scene. hehehe, that door still has makeup from my forehead on it.

So, uh... Clearly define cues.
 

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Very true.

I think there's often a disconnect between what new writers want to know about screenwriting and what they need to know.

What they need to know are the basics of story - structure, theme, character development, conflict, dialogue, climax, etc.

What they need to know is how to write descriptions that are brief but draw the reader in and dialogue that sounds like real people talk but is more interesting than what real people say, and reflects the world view and personality of the character who is speaking.

What they need to know is that screenwriting is difficult craft to master and they need to master it to order write a marketable script. Millions of people play golf, but of those millions only a small percentage play it well enough to be in the PGA (or LPGA). Hollywood is a professional marketplace and they are seeking professional caliber scripts.

While formatting is important - it's merely mechanics. You need to know how to use certain kitchen appliances in order to prepare certain foods - but knowing how to operate those appliances doesn't make you a chef.

Knowing the different script elements and the proper margins does not mean you know anything about drama, story or screenwriting.
How do you define Hollywood as being a pro market place? Sly Stallone watches a boxing bout and creates Rocky in 2 weeks. Then after 30 years creates Rocky 6.. There is a market place in Hollywood for the Spec writers. If its good enough it will get made..
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I am currently trying my hand at screenwriting and what I'd like to know is this:

- how many redrafts do you do? It would be cool to use an example of a finished (and sold) script and explain how it was written, from the original idea to the final draft. It would make for a pretty in depth article but totally worth it.
- how much do you visualise the film in your head?
- I often hear about scenes not making the final cut of a film. So do you write a script slightly longer than you think is necessary, to give the director the option to delete some scenes, or do you write your script keeping only the scenes that you consider to be essential for the flow of the story?
- are there specific requirements for a script to be shot as a low-budget film, such as avoiding night scenes, or avoiding the need for huge crowds etc?
- how do you get to meet directors who are looking for scripts? I'm talking at a local low-budget level, I'm not expecting a ticket to Hollywood.

I'm sure I've got other questions but I can't think about them right now!


Well, it would be more than an article. Given that the average screenplay is over a hundred pages, and that it's not at all uncommon for there to be twenty-five, thirty or more *drafts* and thus sets of notes (not to mention phone calls and meetings interspersed) -- to even begin to make sense of it all would take volumes.

And that doesn't even take into account that most projects involve multiple writers, with each writer often contributing *many* drafts.

These things can and frequently do go on literally for years.

So an article, even "in depth" would barely begin to scratch the surface of this process.

If I were to collect all of the notes that I got on a single project, one which was in development for a couple years (and ultimately never got made) -- just the *notes* and my responses to them would easily run to around a hundred and fifty pages.

Regarding the visualizing of a film -- this is a fine balancing act. Screenwriters are warned "not to direct on the page" -- but to have any chance at all of selling your work you need to give the reader a vivid sense of what the final movie is going to look like. When they read the script they should see the movie. That means finding a very concise way to use language and the means and methods of prose, to convey the *sense* of seeing a movie, without getting into things (as a rule) like describing individual shots and camera angles, which tends to make the reader's eyes glaze over.

Regarding script length to final cut -- while there is a rough averaging rule of one minute to a page, that's really not true, and generally, when you shoot an entire script -- say a hundred and ten page script from cover to cover, you will end up with a first cut that is substantially longer than a hundred and ten minutes. And there will be cuts. And usually, when the time comes to make them, things that seemed really essentially when you were writing will turn out not to be, because you tend to hit certain story beats more than once on the page and when you get to the final movie you come to realize -- yeah, we get it, we understand that -- the point's been made. So we can lose that scene, cut that down -- or simply re-record a line here or there and make that point in another scene.

That happens all the time in every movie.

Plus, things always get re-written as movies develop, which sometimes make existing scenes (which may have been shot or not) superfluous.

The thing about low budget movies is that, strangely enough, you can have almost anything you want -- just not everything. You want a crowd scene? You can have a crowd scene. If it's important, you can spend your limited money and get a crowd for a day. You need a big special effect - you can spend your limited money on that. Just that.

Or you need to shoot on water. Or you need a kid. Or an animal. Or it's a period piece.

All of these things ramp up your budget. But you can have them.

But once you say, we've got to have it be period, and we need kids and dogs, and crowds, and multiple locations and a scene taking place on the high seas where a boat is attacked by a sea serpent.

-- it's just not low budget any more.

So have your effects -- but it's contemporary and only a handful of locations and a handful of actors.

Or whatever variation it may be. Just understand that you can always have *some* things -- some high ticket item, even in a low budget movie.

Shooting at sea is generally considered a high budget item -- but that movie (I think it's called) Deep Water -- the one about the couple accidentally abandoned in the middle of the ocean -- was shot almost entirely at sea, and yet was very low budget.

That's because the one high ticket item -- shooting at sea, was the *only* high ticket item. They spend virtually nothing on anything else.

Regarding your final question -- you don't meet directors who are looking to make movies.

You meet *producers* who are looking to make movies, because it's the producers who've got the money. And while it's great to meet them -- and if you know anything about networking, the standard procedures for networking are the way to go about doing that -- what's more important, is for them to meet your screenplays.

But more important still is for them to meet your screenplay when your screenplay is in a condition when it is worth buying and worth making.

Until then, all of the networking in the world isn't going to help you.

NMS
 

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How do you define Hollywood as being a pro market place? Sly Stallone watches a boxing bout and creates Rocky in 2 weeks. Then after 30 years creates Rocky 6.. There is a market place in Hollywood for the Spec writers. If its good enough it will get made..
dolphin

By pro marketplace I mean that the buyers (producers, studios, etc.) are looking for projects they will not only be able to raise the money to produce, but will also find distribution for (preferably into theaters, or else television or straight to dvd.) It's a business and the ultimate goal is to make money. Without distribution you can't make money.

Although most spec scripts wind up being rewritten to one extent or another once they are purchased or optioned, the purchased or optioned draft needs to be written at a professional level in order to even be considered. I'm not suggesting that new writers can't write at that level or sell a spec script, but the truth is that most aspiring writers will never get to that level.

That's why I used the golf analogy. Millions of people play golf, but very few play well enough to qualify for the PGA tour. They lack the skills and/or the talent and/or the time and dedication to the sport.

Great scripts have been written in weeks, although those scripts are flukes and the writers who can poop out a great first draft that is ready to sell are the exception, not the rule. If you're not willing to spend months - or maybe even years - writing and rewriting and re-rewriting a script, if you're not willing to spend years mastering the craft, then chances are you're not dedicated enough to become a professional screenwriter.

Hope that clarifies things.

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By pro marketplace I mean that the buyers (producers, studios, etc.) are looking for projects they will not only be able to raise the money to produce, but will also find distribution for (preferably into theaters, or else television or straight to dvd.) It's a business and the ultimate goal is to make money.

Although most spec scripts wind up being rewritten to one extent or another once they are purchased or optioned, the purchased or optioned draft needs to be written at a professional level in order to even be considered. I'm not suggesting that new writers can't write at that level or sell a spec script, but the truth is that most aspiring writers will never get to that level.

That's why I used the golf analogy. Millions of people play golf, but very few play well enough to qualify for the PGA tour. They lack the skills and/or the talent and/or the time and dedication to the sport.

Great scripts have been written in weeks, although those scripts are flukes and the writers who can poop out a great first draft that is ready to sell are the exception, not the rule. If you're not willing to spend months - or maybe even years - writing and rewriting and re-rewriting a script, if you're not willing to spend years mastering the craft, then chances are you're not dedicated enough to become a professional screenwriter.

Hope that clarifies things.

Dev
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Thanks for your thorough reply :)

Well, it would be more than an article. Given that the average screenplay is over a hundred pages, and that it's not at all uncommon for there to be twenty-five, thirty or more *drafts* and thus sets of notes (not to mention phone calls and meetings interspersed) -- to even begin to make sense of it all would take volumes.

When I said final draft, I meant "final sold draft", not all the drafts that take place after a producer has taken on a script. So that would be fewer drafts, as I'm guessing the meetings and phone calls you are alluding to are the ones taking place after it's been accepted by the producers (or at least after the producers have expressed a strong interest in the script)?
 

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The most important thing to learn about screenwriting is not so much format (and most of what you read about that is wrong) or all the "STORY uber alles" grand strategy advice, is the very simple idea that scripts are written in a very specific, stilted "language" or "mood" or "case" that is very different from non-dramatic writing.

Dialog aside, the script speaks in a simple present tense, impersonally. There is a kind of cadence or gesture to script writing: "MOLLY GOLLIGOG (early twenties, pretty, assault rifle replacing her left leg) enters and looks around the office hesitantly" rather than, "Molly came into the office, limping on her M-16 prosthetic and tossing her auburn hair back from her pretty but vulnerable face, displayed angst."

The way to "get" the script "accent" or "style" is to read a lot of scripts. Try to read spec scripts.

The only real Carved On Stone Tablet rule is: Do NOT write anything to the reader than cannot be shown or heard onscreen.
You'd think that would be obvious, but if so you haven't read newbie spec scripts.
 

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The thing i struggle with most is character building. How to adept a characters dialogue with their personality. This seems like an easy thing to be able to do but meh :( Not for me obviously.
 

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Thanks for your thorough reply :)



When I said final draft, I meant "final sold draft", not all the drafts that take place after a producer has taken on a script. So that would be fewer drafts, as I'm guessing the meetings and phone calls you are alluding to are the ones taking place after it's been accepted by the producers (or at least after the producers have expressed a strong interest in the script)?


In the professional world, as opposed to the grey zone in which many aspiring screenwriters work, money always changes hands before real writing work begins.

Sometimes you get into this hazy "let's develop the pitch together" game -- which, even though the pitch isn't supposed to be in writing, it actually is -- but a pitch isn't a screenplay.

Plus, the vast majority of screenplays don't start as specs anyway.

To be "accepted" by a producer means that they've either bought or optioned it. Money's changed hands. And in principle writing steps are paid for.

Now, the reality is, for every official step (first draft, first revision, first polish, etc.) in the contract, there are generally free steps in between.

But there's no "taking on" a script, doing a ton of work for free, and then the producer decides whether or not to option it.

Although I guess it can happen (because at every level producers are trying to get something for nothing), as a rule, it doesn't happen. All of the steps that I was referring to occurred within the "development process" -- after a script has been bought or optioned.

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Thanks for your thorough reply :)

When I said final draft, I meant "final sold draft", not all the drafts that take place after a producer has taken on a script. So that would be fewer drafts, as I'm guessing the meetings and phone calls you are alluding to are the ones taking place after it's been accepted by the producers (or at least after the producers have expressed a strong interest in the script)?
So what you want to see is a rundown of a screenwriter's work in getting to a final draft of a spec, hopefully but not necessarily one they sold.

The problem here is that for every screenwriter the process they go through will lead to different numbers of drafts, some might get to their final draft in three iterations others might need six iterations, and so on. Some projects may take more drafts, others fewer.

It might be better for you to approach the deal from the standpoint of what might be considered some optimum or average number of drafts that are typically required to get to a final draft. We know this number will be greater than one and less than 20, for all practical purposes. Most screenwriters I know, myself included, usually employ a process that goes something like this,

first draft
written after much story crafting has already been done and written energetically at a relatively fast pace drawing upon the passion the writer has for the tale; with everything banged out without too much concern for the finer points but with a good focus on dramatic structure, character arcs, and scene design. A writer knows everything written in this draft will be rewritten in the devlopment process that follows.

This draft is often long (up to 130 or 135 pages); if it's short (less than 90 pages), it needs work to flesh things out a bit more.

The development process to follow will usually entail cutting and condensing, not adding new material.

second draft
intended as a development process to bring the narrative to a finer level of expression and to ensure that scene captions are properly formed and written and that setups and payoffs are working, that any needed or desirable foreshadowing is in place, and that things in the overall sense are brought up to a more developed state.

third draft
might be termed a dialogue draft, because the focus here is to develop and shape dialogue.

fourth draft
a full-on top down interation that looks to develop the whole into final draft form. Here, some scenes may be cut because we can see their story points are conveyed by other scenes.

polish draft
an interation to put the final touches on everything.

Five drafts.

This kind of approach is necessary in order to be productive. A writer can't work on every aspect at the same time and in order to bring things along he or she will be better served to break the work down into some logial "chunks" that can be developed in a focused manner without too much concern for everything else.

But of course its true that a writer always has the whole in mind and anywhere in a five draft process might find himself working on aspects he did not intend to work on in that particular draft. But that's okay.

I often see the process as being akin to what a sculptor does, he first whacks out a rough image, then he sculpts that down into a finer form, then he sands that to a finished form, then he polishes that to a gallery or presentation form.

The thing is to be productive it can't be a willy nilly process, it has to have some order. I never want to have my first 20 pages developed to near final draft form and the remaining 90 pages still in first draft form. I want the whole thing to be developed as a whole and this means it will appear to have about the same level or degee of development from front to back at any given point in the process.

And by the time I'm printing a polish draft there's hardly a word or a phrase or a sentence or a speech that remains from my first draft.

There is a predicate to this in the way that scripts are written on assignment, whether features or television, in that producers give writers a schedule that appoints when certain drafts are to be finished and submitted for their review.

As well, not many screenwriters I know keep all that good a track of their drafts. I don't. I used to but after while I realized that I was using disk space to store first, second, and third and sometmes fourth drafts that'd never be looked at again by a human being, so why keep them? They're on a backup tape somewhere anyway, should I ever need to refer to them.

Now, what I've set forth here is a model and there will always be those who either say they do it differently or they get their scripts done in one draft and three weeks, or what have you. There are always exceptions to any generally stated situation or process. But if you took this model to the best screenwritng prof at UCLA Film School and asked him or her what they thought of it, I think you'd get a "Looks about right to me."
 

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What new writers want to know is how to GET PAID for their writing.
Well, this is probably true enough. But, the answer isn't so simple to articulate and it sure's heck isn't one that's easy to apprehend.

The short answer is "write screenplays that are professionally conceived, competently written, and bring something new to the table."

The longer answer is, "you have to learn how to do what's expressed in the short answer above and if you are an absolute beginner thats going to take you five years during which you'll have to write six or seven or eight screenplays."

Another answer might be "Enroll in USC's or UCLA's Film School and take an MFA is screenwriting."
 

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I would think that next to getting paid that getting credit for your work would be a top priority as well after all this is Hollywood we are talking about and I have read and heard many stories about writers who were blatantly ripped off by producers and directors who took full credit for their work and leave them holding the bag. Another worry should be that the end product is your work and not not bastardized abomination created by megalomaniac directors, producers, actors, actresses after all allot of A listers often have a say so over scripts, and of course pinhead studio executives after all this Hollywood.
 

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Another worry should be that the end product is your work and not not bastardized abomination created by megalomaniac directors, producers,

I suppose people could worry about it, but it won't do them any good. This has happened to some of the greatest writers ever and there isn't much you can do about it.