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Hello,

I am new here, and I am interested in writing a popular science book about medical imaging.

About me: I have been a 'science writer' for a few years now though there are no publications that credit me as an author. I edited and wrote text for two chapters of a popular science book when I worked as a research intern for a scientist in college. I also have written successful grants and the text of articles published in major journals (WSJ and Science). I am guessing that the scientists I wrote for would be willing to write reference letters that document my contributions. I am currently working with a published author and programmer who plans to let me co-author a number of scholarly articles, so I may have some minor publications to my name within the next few months.

About my co-author: The radiologist that pitched the idea to me is highly respected for his technical expertise and visual capabilities. He has also never published a book, but has written a number of scholarly articles in academic journals and medical journals. He is a research faculty member of MGH, one of the world's best hospitals, and he also has an MD from Harvard.

So, my questions are about the book proposal process. I am told that publishers might agree to publish a non fiction book if they have a good proposal and the first few chapters. I am told that it is possible to receive an advance for such a book even before it is completed. My co-author has no financial need for an advance and also has time to dedicate to this project this year since he is taking a six month sabbatical. I, however, live on a meager writer's income and would probably need some kind of immediate compensation in order to be able to dedicate a proper amount of time to this book. Is it realistic for me to expect that we can a) get a publisher before we have a finished book and b) get an advance.

Also, is it realistic to expect that we can even get a mainstream publisher to take interest in this book? It would not be out of the question for us to seek an additional contributor who has already published books though I would prefer not to have to do this.

Thank you very much!
 

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wow, Scope, such brevity!

Welcome, NewWriter. He's right of course. Scope usually is.

Good luck with your project! :)
 

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Thank you very much for your input. Scope, I'm not entirely sure I understand your meaning. Can you elaborate about what "all" means?
 

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The advance is not going to be enormous. I'm not sure that banking on a sizable advance is realistic. You can sell the book based on a proposal but you really need to have the skeleton in place (table of contents, chapter summary). And it's a year (at least) from when a publisher buys to when its published. And then you have to wait to earn out your advance to get any royalties.

From the time you start writing the proposal, you may be looking at 2 years to publication but at least 2 years until you get your first royalty check (IF you earn out your advance).

My own process was: I started writing my proposal/sample chapters in July of 2007 and finished in September, found my agent in October 2007, we started working together on polishing the query and sample chapters in January 2008 and we sold it in April 2008. It's being released May 2009. So it's a long process.

My advance was 15k which is actually a lot for a first-time author. I received half when I signed and half when the book was accepted (it can be months after you submit it that it's accepted even if there are only minor revisions).

I don't know if this helps. It's really good to study all the query and proposal books as well as blogs and websites. It really helps you understand what is going on (the publishing business is really confusing to writers).
 

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Susan,

Your post is very helpful to me. I do not believe I need a large advance, but I am sure I cannot afford to support myself and write a book without an advance unless I acquire a different set of freelance projects or find a full time employer.

At the moment, I work over sixty hours a week. One of my projects requires more than 40 hours of work each week and only pays me $1000 a month. I feel this project is valuable, because it will involve writing a series of articles with several technology management experts, and this will provide me with several publications credited to me. The project focuses on security risks in our current voting process. I feel this will allow me to write on a topic which connects IT research with broader social concerns. This project also happens to be the most interesting one I work on, and I enjoy it.

My other two projects pay me $20 and hour and $25 an hour. I live in a fairly high end neighborhood in New York City under a strict lease agreement, so I definitely do need to keep those projects to pay my rent, utility bills, save for taxes at the end of the year etc.

Does anyone have an estimation for how many hours it should take to write a book proposal and sample chapters, shop for an agent and sign with a publisher? I can budget a certain amount of time for this project over the next few months with the understanding that nothing whatsoever may come of it. The only issue is that I truly cannot commit to writing the whole book without an advance, because I have to drop at least one of my paying projects in order to have time for it. My assumption is that both a successful proposal and the book itself will require the same time as a full time job if we are to finish a draft this year.
 

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Sorry, NewWriter, I should have been more specific too. I'm a bit giddy from my own news today.

I think scope (who can elaborate on his own when he returns) means is that all the things you were thinking about: platform, proposal, expertise, agreeing to publishing with a proposal and sample chapters and your a.) and b.) were correct assumptions.

From my own experience, I simply called a publisher, who appeared to be the best choice for my book based on the titles I researched, to ask for their submission guidelines, because there were none on their site at the time. The editor asked me what I was working on, said he was interested and asked for whatever I had. At that stage, what I had was only the Table of Contents, two sample chapters and bio. My bio demonstrated my expertise in the field (as well as my website), which was extremely important for this book.

He demonstrated further interest based on this submission and asked for more as I had it. I emailed more as I wrote it, whilst waiting for boards and selection committees to meet, people to come and go from the Frankfurt Book Fair, Christmas deadlines, trade shows and so on. The process started April, 2008 and today, March 26th 2009, they said yes, offered me a contract and said they wanted to proceed as quickly as possible.

I still have not finished the book, because I have a more than full-time business, but I am almost there. They are very interested (and I think swayed by) the suggestions I made to market the book -blog, radio, press releases, local media, who to market to, etc. - and this seems to be an important component to any publishing endeavour these days. At least the ones that have a specialized forum and narrower market potential.

My advance, as many (most) people will tell you, will not pay the bills, at least not many of them. I am very happy with any advance at all and the opportunity to be commercially published by a small, but focused publisher in my field.

Hope that is more helpful.
 

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Perhaps someone that has worked on book with multiple answers can answer an additional question.

Suppose I write a proposal and find a publisher for the book. If the advance the publisher provides is not enough for me to pursue the project, would it be appropriate for me to ask Dr. JH to pay me some additional money? I am not opposed to letting him take all the royalties, because once I am not spending time on this project, I can support myself through other work.
 

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Bluestone, thank you. I will try and emulate your steps. I can call publishers on behalf of Dr. JH and ask about their requirements and send sample chapters to them when we have finished them.

I am certainly willing to do all I can to market the book as well- radio shows, talk shows etc. However, I am not sure why anyone should want to see or hear me promote the book. Presumably, radio shows and others would want to interview the doctor, right?
 

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Sorry, NewWriter, I should have been more specific too. I'm a bit giddy from my own news today.

The process started April, 2008 and today, March 26th 2009, they said yes, offered me a contract and said they wanted to proceed as quickly as possible.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!:hooray::partyguy::hooray:
 

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When I was writing my proposal (and book) I was a NYC lawyer at a large (read: many hours required) law firm (now I'm at NY Small Law and the hour requirement is not as stringent).

For the proposal I wrote a lot at nights and on the weekend and then took a few weeks vacation to write the rest of the book (they bought it in May and the draft was due 9/1 so bye bye summer fun). The other thing I did was hire an editor while I was writing. I would finish a chapter and ship it off to her and then start another. Publishers don't ask you to do that (and a good one will run a couple of thousand dollars) but it helped me a lot in time management.

Sometimes writing a proposal and shopping a book is like having another full-time job. It is VERY VERY VERY time intensive. When you have a demanding first job it's even more difficult but it is do-able if you're dedicated to the process.
 

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Perhaps someone that has worked on book with multiple answers can answer an additional question.

Suppose I write a proposal and find a publisher for the book. If the advance the publisher provides is not enough for me to pursue the project, would it be appropriate for me to ask Dr. JH to pay me some additional money? I am not opposed to letting him take all the royalties, because once I am not spending time on this project, I can support myself through other work.

The relationship you have with your co-author is entirely up to you. You can propose anything you'd like to Dr. JH. and see what happens. Writing nonfiction is rarely a way to get rich, especially when the topic is something fairly esoteric. Susangyp's advance protocol is not unusual, but more likely you'd receive a third of your advance payment on signing, a third on acceptance of manuscript, and a third when the book is published. If you and your co-author receive an advance of 21,000 (for argument's sake), you'd likely split it in some manner that you two have agreed on. You'd get 7, 000 to split some way between you on signing, 7k on acceptance of the book manuscript (which could be anywhere from a month to a year after signing), and then the final 7k after publication, which is likely to be close to a year after turning in the manuscript. So there's not a lot of money involved.

As far as how long a proposal takes, think of it in a way similar to writing a technical article. How long do those take? And the big waiting is usually for publishers to determine whether or not they want to take you on.

So, the bottom line is that it is very difficult to earn a living writing nonfiction books, unless you have several in the pipeline and some that are earning out.

If your collaborator is the "name" of the duo, it's unlikely that you'll be asked to promote the book very much.
 

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My agent did tell me that the usual payment is in thirds. I was happy to not have that be the case.
 

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NewWriter,

Two Questions:

1. You say you don't need a large advance, but you definitely do need some sort of advance. What minimum dollar advance would be acceptable to you?

2. Beyond the time you would have to devote to the project, and forgetting your need for the money, what objective reasons can you state as to why a publisher or the Doctor
should pay you an advance--as opposed to a percentage of royalties?
 

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I can attest to this too. I just wrote my first proposal over the period of about 6 months, during that time, I acquired my agent, mind you he helped with the proposal once he was on board as far as shaping and during this time was still working on the book itself. It took over 7-8 months to actually sell the proposal and once we did sell it, just as Susan said, my advance was around the 15K mark. I asked my agent if that was decent, he said it was very good for a first time author. Especially one doing a non fiction book on jazz.

He also said that many, MANY first time author's lie about their advance money. We've been under contract negotiations for over a month now. I have to have the book DONE by September this year and it won't be on shelves until September/October 2010. And this is with Random House.

So, it's a LONG road. Also, you need to make sure you have a very legal and understandable contract with the radiologist. There needs to be no gray matter. Get it..LOL. Sorry...couldn't resist. Especially since he says he has NO time for this. And in the end you don't want him claiming the book as his and all the BS that goes along with it.

Good luck!
 
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