urgent ethical and practical dilemma. Please help.

beginner's mind

Registered
Joined
Mar 23, 2009
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
I have a serious problem, and need some advice. In 1999, my novel was represented by an agent. She shopped it to some major houses, then her life fell apart and she abruptly quit the business. Despite my repeated requests and her protestations that she loved my book, she never provided me with a list of publishers to whom she had pitched the book, except for one, where an editor had tried to publish it but had been overruled by new corporate masters.

I let the book lay on the shelf for years. Then, in 2005, I contacted the editor above, who by then was a banker, and he referred me to two industry contacts, one a VP of a major house, the other an editor at the house that had originally considered my book. Both liked it, but didn't love it enough to take a chance with a new author.

Now it's 2009, and I've just been offered representation by a reputable agent. She has not yet asked me the history of the book.

THE DILEMMA: how honest do I dare be? I read a post by Victoria Strauss, who seems extremely knowledgeable, to the effect that no agent will re-submit a work to a house that has rejected it in the past. I read another blog that agreed, and read elsewhere that this is not an absolute rule. Further, there is reason to believe that few agents will take on books that have been shopped before.

I don't like the idea of lying to my prospective agent.
I don't like the idea of being rejected because of the above.
I don't know how extensively the book was shopped.
I could change the title and keep quiet.
I could not change the title and keep quiet, and risk that major houses might keep old databases of submissions by author or title. (DO THEY?)
I could tell the agent the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and probably watch her walk.
I could tell her the houses that I know have seen the book, and let it go at that.

Any help would be welcome. Thanks.
 

caromora

Still alive. Kind of.
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 25, 2008
Messages
705
Reaction score
166
Location
2nd Star To the Right
Website
inkstaind-stars.livejournal.com
Definitely tell her. It's been so long since your MS was sent around that it probably won't matter by now. It's likely that the editors who saw your MS 5 and 10 years ago have moved elsewhere, changed jobs, etc.
 

Erin

Listening to my other selves
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 3, 2007
Messages
1,638
Reaction score
364
Location
California
Website
www.erinrichards.com
Definitely tell her. It's been so long since your MS was sent around that it probably won't matter by now. It's likely that the editors who saw your MS 5 and 10 years ago have moved elsewhere, changed jobs, etc.

I agree. Be honest.
 

Mac H.

Board Visitor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 16, 2005
Messages
2,812
Reaction score
406
Keep it simple and tell the truth. An earlier version of the manuscript was shopped around by an agent a decade ago, but the manuscript has improved a lot since then - and you don't know how much it was shopped around.

Simple.

Mac
 

Madisonwrites

The Unicorn Writer
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 24, 2008
Messages
2,798
Reaction score
107
Location
Queryland
Website
madisonlovestowrite.blogspot.com
Honesty is the best policy, but tell it to her frankly, business-like. Don't want to come off as whiny or anything else. Be as professional about this as possible and you should do all right.

Besides, being honest earns you points on your agent's end. It will show that she can trust you. The beginnings of a great working relationship! :)

Good luck and happy writing! :D
 

waylander

Who's going for a beer?
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Oct 24, 2005
Messages
9,770
Reaction score
2,438
Age
67
Location
London, UK
Tell them everything. They are on your side and may well take the view that there are now enough people around who haven't seen it so it can be sent out again.
 
Last edited:

IceCreamEmpress

Hapless Virago
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 2, 2007
Messages
6,449
Reaction score
1,321
I read a post by Victoria Strauss, who seems extremely knowledgeable, to the effect that no agent will re-submit a work to a house that has rejected it in the past.

I'd be surprised if that's what Victoria said.

Agents will certainly submit books to other imprints within a house even if it has been rejected by one of the house's imprints; a book that didn't work for Dutton, for instance, might be just the thing for Jeremy P. Tarcher--both are imprints of Penguin USA.

And agents will certainly submit books to the new editor of an imprint or line if it was previously rejected by a former editor of that imprint or line. Often a new editor decides to take the imprint in a different direction, so a book that didn't work under John Doe might fit in perfectly with Jane Roe's new vision for the imprint.

In any case, you have to be honest and trust the agent to do his/her job.
 

Deleted member 42

Aside from the ethical reasons to be honest--your agent goes out on a limb for you, personally. Agents use personal contacts, who trust them.

If your agent doesn't know the truth, she could inadvertently have her own career damaged.
 

victoriastrauss

Writer Beware Goddess
Kind Benefactor
Absolute Sage
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
6,704
Reaction score
1,318
Location
Far from the madding crowd
Website
www.victoriastrauss.com
Definitely tell her. It's been so long since your MS was sent around that it probably won't matter by now. It's likely that the editors who saw your MS 5 and 10 years ago have moved elsewhere, changed jobs, etc.

I agree with this. I also agree you should be honest about the book's history.

What I probably said was that agents aren't going to want to resubmit to an imprint that has already rejected you (as Ice Cream Empress pointed out, the big publishing houses often have several imprints with similar focuses, so an agent could certainly submit to a different imprint within the same house). But that presupposes that you get a new agent immediately after firing or being fired by your old one. After ten years, it's a whole new ball game. Hopefully, your new agent will agree you can start fresh.

- Victoria
 

trickywoo

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 11, 2008
Messages
317
Reaction score
145
Location
Seattle, WA
I would be straightforward and tell your new agent the history.

Things change quickly in publishing, so there probably are new editors who have never seen the manuscript and your agent will have different contacts.

Definitely go with honesty. Good luck!
 

spinspin

Registered
Joined
May 31, 2008
Messages
10
Reaction score
0
I've got to tell you, I kind of disagree with the comments you're getting. I am by nature a very truthful person. But the fact that an earlier version might have been shopped TEN YEARS previously is hardly relevant.

I would change the title and hold my head up high. Then I would tell the new agent about the two 2005 editors you showed it to yourself. Those are facts you can present clearly. Any others might just make the both of you anxious. Timing is everything. If this is your book's time, it will happen for you.
 

vsrenard

Watching the Whales
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 8, 2007
Messages
1,288
Reaction score
118
Location
SF Bay Area
Website
www.vanithasankaran.com
Better to tell the truth. Be factual. Don't bitch. The industry has changed in the last ten years. People change, trends change. What might not have been saleable then may be a different story now. Might as well be upfront.
 

victoriastrauss

Writer Beware Goddess
Kind Benefactor
Absolute Sage
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 11, 2005
Messages
6,704
Reaction score
1,318
Location
Far from the madding crowd
Website
www.victoriastrauss.com
It would be very, very bad to keep something like this from your new agent. Possibly, she would never find out. But if she did she would not be happy about it. Plus, do you want to base an important business relationship on concealing the truth? Just for the extra stress that would add, it's not worth it, IMO.

- Victoria
 

Achromasia

Regardless of who your MS was shopped too, just be honest. Although it's likely that none of what happen ten years ago will matter, isn't initial honesty better than constantly stressing about your agent finding out?
 

Irysangel

She of Many Names
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 19, 2005
Messages
1,711
Reaction score
936
Have to agree - you are sending her something to SELL. If you don't disclose the truth and she finds out from, say, the publisher? Very bad. Not only will you make her look stupid, but you will make yourself look shady.

Have the conversation with your agent. Tell her you weren't sure if it was relevant, but you want her to be aware of everything going in. She will be the one to be able to tell you whether or not it's an issue. If it isn't, you'll feel silly for worrying, right? If it IS an issue, better to tell her before she starts pitching it.
 

beginner's mind

Registered
Joined
Mar 23, 2009
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
I'm overwhelmed by all the time and attention you've all given to this. And, really, it speaks to my principles and my heart to be truthful in all my relations. Now I can rest.

Thanks to everyone.

PS to Victoria: I believe that you did refer to an imprint, not a house, in the post I was remembering. A good reminder of the importance of precision.
 

JanetReid

Absolute Sage
Super Member
Registered
Joined
May 5, 2020
Messages
214
Reaction score
66
Location
New York NY
Be honest. Tell her everything. You'd be surprised what she might be able to do when she has all the information.

NOTHING is worse than finding out a project was shopped earlier from the editor who is seeing it again.

I can look like an idiot without any extra help.