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I read something when I was reading an article about the filming of a new batman movie. It said no one knew what the third movie was going to be about but it better be good because the third installments are known not to be that great.

I was wondering if it applied to novels too. Now I've read books where the first was good, the second was better and everything after was blah or the first was good and the rest was blah! or in the case of Twilight, I read no one liked BD.

My question? When you write your sequels, do you ever have this fear that it won't live up to the ones before it ( depending on how good you or others thought it was)? I'm in a rut now because I wrote two books in a trilogy and now I'm on the third, but I can't find a new dynamic to throw into it to make it stand out more than the last two... Well I found a couple, I just can't find that edge that kept me writing the first two.

What do you think? Has it happened to anyone here before?
 

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HAHAHA I almost jumped to my certain death off my chair thinking this was another POV question. :D

I don't think I'd ever write sequels, but I agree with you that in that some writers just seems to run out of steam and are milking it for the money. Some series are okay still, like the Nick Stone series by Andy Mcnab and the Jack Reacher series by Lee Child is still okay but they've both had some bad ones in there and I think the Jack Reacher series is about done. But from what I hear the stephany plum series is on its deathbed and the laurell K Hamilton Anita Blake series should have been buried already.

I think what happens is the author gets so comfortable with a character that maybe it's a little scary to think about working with a new character. And she's confined with how much character growth a character can have in a series so it ends up stagnant. And the same old crazy things happen because it worked out so well before and without that character growth there's only so much you can do to a character because her response is going to be the same because of the lack of growth. it's a vicious cycle.

My sister is a series freak. She cruises the bookstore looking for series. Doesn't matter what genre. Last week, she decided it had to be a sci fi series. I pointed her to the Lois McMaster-Bujold books. Me, I'm not so crazy about series for just what we discussed about.

Suzanne Brockmann writes a series of sorts where each book is about a different character but they all work for the same team and they all have recurring roles in the other books sometimes as POV characters. It worked okay for a while but I'm really tired of it now. Some characters end up having a 4 or 5 book story arc before they get their own story and it was cool the first time she did it but not so cool the 4th time. I think her series is done and needs to be wrapped up. soon.
 

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I think every author goes into a panic while writing a sequel (at least the ones under contract) because the second book has to be better than the first to prove they aren't a one-hit wonder. After a second success, they don't panic so much and maybe don't polish that third book as well.

I know that I'm just finishing up the first draft of book two now, and I've been sweating it the whole time, hoping I can make it better than the first. I'm trying to keep it fresh by finding new things to reveal and new directions for my protag to go in. I'm also letting the secondary characters play bigger roles and develop them more. I want it to be a great adventure like book one, but not the same adventure. I have a similar plan for book three, which I'll write next year.

As for series, I tend to lose interest with a lot of writers after book three, because the stories are lacking, and rehash too much of the first books. Some people like this since they get to visit the same characters and read the same basic book over and over, but it's not for everyone.
 
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I always worry if my sequels will be as good as the stories before them. Then again, I worry that ANYTHING of mine will turn out good or not, so...maybe it's not necessarily a sequel thing for me! :eek:

My fears usually seem to prove unfounded. But that's just my opinion. I'm not published so I couldn't judge, but I have yet to have somebody say, "The first story was great but the second one SUCKED!"
 

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If the three books are a trilogy rather than more loosely related sequels, I've always heard that the second one is the least good. This is because the first one gets the good worldbuilding and initial character development, the last one gets the action and satisfaction of the ending, but the middle one only gets the blahs of plot development.
 

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I'm glad it's not just me. Take Harry Potter from J.K. Rowling. It was good, but by the time the last book rolled around, everyone had figured out what was going to happen, but she didn't run out of steam, I just hink her readers knew her all too well and I guess that's why she determined seven and that's all.

I know a lot of great television examples (Pokemon and Yugioh. Will these shws ever end?), but not books. I guess it's because I'm picky. I'd make a great agent though I think. If the first paragraph doesn't quip my interest, you better believe I won't read it. Getting off topic here, my point is, I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Thing is though, that even when series are long dead, people keep buying them. I'm so jealous! Just give me that chance where I can live off writing books that aren't necessarily good because my first three were dynamic!

HAHAHA I almost jumped to my certain death off my chair thinking this was another POV question.

I didn't notice how my title looked before! Good one!
 

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If the three books are a trilogy rather than more loosely related sequels, I've always heard that the second one is the least good. This is because the first one gets the good worldbuilding and initial character development, the last one gets the action and satisfaction of the ending, but the middle one only gets the blahs of plot development.

Well, I'm sure I didn't do that... But I get your point though. Christopher Paloni is a good (or rather bad) example of this. I don't like his books. They remind me of Star Wars too much, but the first had all this world building and new experience and the second was this wordy info dump and I only skimmed the book (also according to people I asked who said they skipped pages and pages of the book). I'm not even sure about the third one. A classic example from a beginning author of a guy that started good and looked like he didn't know where he was going, but until he found out, he bored the heck out of us with this 'important' training stuff.
 

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My question? When you write your sequels, do you ever have this fear that it won't live up to the ones before it ( depending on how good you or others thought it was)? I'm in a rut now because I wrote two books in a trilogy and now I'm on the third, but I can't find a new dynamic to throw into it to make it stand out more than the last two... Well I found a couple, I just can't find that edge that kept me writing the first two.

What do you think? Has it happened to anyone here before?[/quote]

Yes. The first one came out in 2000 the second in 2004 and the third is out this May. I was desperate to write the final part - in 2004 and when I finally got the go ahead from my publisher I was elated. (This was the third story synopsis I'd proposed for the final sequel.)

It was a struggle to find that voice again after a long break, working on stand alones and it was a struggle to complete the story arc in a way which resolved the issues raised in the previous two but which did not repeat the pattern of either.
I think its OK. I've had some positive feedback from people I trust, but I won't know till later in the year if readers like it.

I had to give myself a serious talking to at one point when I lost faith in my ability to pull it off, so you have my sympathy.
 
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