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My current story is third person, told from multiple POVs - the two male protagonists, the female protagonist, with an very occasional delve into mind the strange villain in the story. (These are more like interludes...a page in between certain chapters.)

This is working great, mostly. For the most part, a whole chapter (sometimes chapters) will be in one character's POV, with changes to another POV in a different chapter, as appropriate.

My sex scenes, though, seem to be jumping all over the damn place. The one I just finished is 900 words her point of view (intro/arousal), 600 words in his point of view (seduction), 800 words in her point of view (foreplay), and 1000 words in his point of view (sex and chapter closing). (Those descriptions in parentheses are very general. The sections blend.)

The shifts seemed appropriate to me based on where we are in the scene. It makes sense, and it reads well to *me* but I wrote the damn thing.

Too much, though?

(Wow, short post for me - lol.)
 

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I like to read multiple POVs. But I prefer to stick to one POV during a scene.

However, I've read many, many stories with a setup like yours during a sex scene and it worked perfectly well.

So, in the end, if the scene flows smoothly, why not? Show it to your crit partners to get some feedback...
 

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Yeah, it is a lot. By the time I get done with rewrites every section will likely be a bit longer, but it's still a lot of jumping around.

What I might do is finish it the way I have it now, then try to rewrite the third POV switch, to his point of view, so it's just her at the beginning and him for the balance of the chapter, then compare the two to see what works best.

I really like it the way it is on several levels, but their views on sex are so different (to him sex is like Lay's Potato Chips, and she hasn't been with anyone in over a year) that I don't want it to seem to abrupt...to knock someone out of the mood that's been created. I guess can always have her reflect back the next morning in just a couple of paragraphs that *may* say everything they need to. (Ya know how ya hate to let go of a piece of halfway decent writing.)

Probably what I should do is do both versions, then have someone *else* read 'em and see what they think.

I wish I could write first person, but I always suck at that. lol.

J.
 

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For me, head hopping during a sex scene is a big no no. It's jarring to experience sex through one person's POV and then jump into another's. When I change POVs I always make sure that there is a definite break in scenes before doing so.

If you want to show how each person reacts to the sex you can do a little wrap up afterwards by having the person think back on the experience.

Or, you could add in more sex scenes from different POVs ;)
 
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My current story is third person, told from multiple POVs - the two male protagonists, the female protagonist, with an very occasional delve into mind the strange villain in the story. (These are more like interludes...a page in between certain chapters.)

This is working great, mostly. For the most part, a whole chapter (sometimes chapters) will be in one character's POV, with changes to another POV in a different chapter, as appropriate.

My sex scenes, though, seem to be jumping all over the damn place. The one I just finished is 900 words her point of view (intro/arousal), 600 words in his point of view (seduction), 800 words in her point of view (foreplay), and 1000 words in his point of view (sex and chapter closing). (Those descriptions in parentheses are very general. The sections blend.)

The shifts seemed appropriate to me based on where we are in the scene. It makes sense, and it reads well to *me* but I wrote the damn thing.

Too much, though?

(Wow, short post for me - lol.)

Two points:

Head hopping is evil. If I ruled the world (which I do; check the Royalty thread in OP;)) it would be a hanging offence. I don't care if it's traditional or accepted. I am Queen of AW until Sunday night, therefore, I quite literally rule. :D

Secondly: a 3,300-word sex scene? Pfft. Amateur. try 15k. :e2brows:

No, really. Even I was shocked when I did a quick check of my word count for that week...
 

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For me, head hopping during a sex scene is a big no no. It's jarring to experience sex through one person's POV and then jump into another's.

I've read stuff that does change POV, and it worked, but
they also didn't do it FOUR TIMES! lol.

I *think* this one will work OK if the intro stuff is in her head and the part where they're actually starting to do stuff (I'm never sure what language to use on a public forum - lol - makes me sound like an eighth grader) the rest of it is in his POV. (The scene starts out with her in the room alone, but the sex seemed better to me from his POV.)

I'll finish it that way and then run it by someone. :)
 

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Secondly: a 3,300-word sex scene? Pfft. Amateur. try 15k. :e2brows:

Hi, Queenie: ;)

OK, so no headhopping until Sunday ;)

Well, it's up to about 6k right now which might be a bit long for a chapter. I think the longest one that I have now is around 10k, which is wayyyy too long for the style of the rest of the chapters...going to have to chop that puppy up.
 

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Generally speaking, changing POV in a scene is not a good thing. It's like brushing your teeth with a razor blade: it can be done, but it must be handled very carefully. If you simply must hop in and out of other people's heads, don't do it abruptly. Use actions and dialogue to shift reader attention towards the character you're about to jump to. That makes it easier for the reader to follow the jump and makes for a less jarring experience. That being said, I still don't endorse it, especially not multiple hops back and forth in the same scene.
 

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Whose POV?

I'll add just one thing that I don't see mentioned yet, which is whose POV makes the most sense for what you want to get across here, assuming you are trying to show something more than just some hot sex.

Generally, POV should be the character with the most emotional stake in a scene, to bring the reader into his/her head for the conflict and how it affects the character. So, it's ideal to have her POV for the lead up to the sex since she obviously has a lot of issues to work through: mind vs body and how she feels about the guy (presumably).

If sex is nothing special to him, I don't know why you even need his POV here. How does this scene change HIM? If it doesn't, then don't have his thoughts. Having him think 'ooh this feels great' doesn't do much to advance story or relationship, unless you are specifically trying to show the fact that this means nothing to him at all, in comparison to the high level of importance to the woman.

Maybe I'm getting into specifics that don't fit your story, or you don't have much story, as I'm not familiar with your piece of the level of erotic vs. non-erotic content. But there is a lot of thought to pay to POV besides when to switch.

Hope some of that was helpful!

--Em
 

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I'll add just one thing that I don't see mentioned yet, which is whose POV makes the most sense for what you want to get across here, assuming you are trying to show something more than just some hot sex.

Thanks, Em, that was really helpful. I hadn't actually thought it through that way, but you sort of pinned down why a chunk of it needs to be in his head.

That scene has been rewritten to start in her point of view (for the reasons that I mentioned earlier), then switches to his point of view when things start getting...lively. It has to end in his head because there's kind of a confrontation at the end of the scene that doesn't involve her. (It's complicated.)

The scene is pivotal to the romantic plot in the story. There are three protagonists in this story, and this scene shifts the relationships all around. (In a small way, it also ties into the suspense part of the story - he didn't really have any reason to protect her before this, other than his loyalty to their mutual friend.)

Michael does treat sex as...I think in another thread I put it "like Lays Potato Chips". (For the non U.S. contingent, Lay's potato chip advertisting tag line is "no one can eat just one.")

This is different for him, but he doesn't realize it immediately. It starts out (before this scene) as something of a challenge, but by the end of this scene, it's turned into something different, and she is the one who is trying to turn it into "just sex".

(I realize that all of that probably makes no sense without knowing the story, but I don't think 25k words will fit in a forum post ;))

Anyway, I think my transition is OK between the two. We'll see what a critter thinks when I'm done with the damn thing! lol.

J.
 
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