When should I write the proposal?

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semilargeintestine

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I couldn't think of a better title for the thread, so my apologies there. Anyway, I am writing a book on Katherine Wright, Orville and Wilbur's sister. She really was the driving force behind their success in aviation, but I don't really want to write about that. She had this weird love triangle thing going between her, Orville, and her future husband Henry. I want to write it more like a novel than the standard biography. I know there's a term for it, but I'm a dingbat, so I can't remember it.

My question is, for non-fiction books that are written more like a narrative, do you write the whole book first and treat it like a novel when querying it? Or do you still do a proposal first and all that jazz? If this is a really stupid question, just say so, and I'll hit myself with the appropriate magnitude.
 

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With the state of fear and collapse in the publishing industry todau, I'd suggest you forget the proposal idea for now, write the book and hope times are better by the time you're done.
 

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Not what I wanted to hear, but thanks for the tip. Probably true.
 

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I wrote two memoirs, and I wrote the proposals as I was writing the books because I used the chapter by chapter outline to keep my timeline right. I don't know if this helps you, but I found it very helpful because I didn't have to re-read as much.
John is right though. I keep hearing from agents who doubt the market, and a publisher rejected my first because of the present economy. He said it was very publishable, but not now.
 

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Sounds good. I'll just start writing and see what happens. Thanks for the replies.
 

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I wrote two memoirs, and I wrote the proposals as I was writing the books because I used the chapter by chapter outline to keep my timeline right. I don't know if this helps you, but I found it very helpful because I didn't have to re-read as much.
John is right though. I keep hearing from agents who doubt the market, and a publisher rejected my first because of the present economy. He said it was very publishable, but not now.

I did a similar thing. Writing a lot of the book really helped me do the proposal.
 

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I have to disagree with the people saying to write the book before the proposal. This is based on my own experience. I am about to rework my entire story line based on advice from an agent. The parts of the book I have done I hope will make their way in. The agent is right about the changes (I hope). It is the same story, just a different way of telling it. I would hate to have the book finished and have to write it again. I would start with a strong proposal. Good luck!
 

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Sounds like you're writing narrative non-fic, a la: Seabiscuit, The Perfect Storm etc.
If you're relatively new to publishing, absolutely write it (wonderfully) first. A newbie would have a mighty tough (close to impossible) time sellling on proposal for narr non-fic.

And it sounds like a really interesting story.
 
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