Day in the life of a junior lawyer?

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It's in the northeast U.S. - civil, not criminal, law. My MC is also working on his grad degree in Business Law so he can be of service in the family business, a large and successful one that he's dreams of heading up one day.

So he takes classes at a university near the city where, downtown, he works as a junior level lawyer. He's pretty smart and he's rich - so he really doesn't have to work but he does anyway.

He lives in a historical brownstone, drives or takes the subway to the law firm downtown in a city similar to Boston.

Can you give me any idea of what this kind of lawyer would do in his "regular daily work"? Would it be possible for him to work p/time?

Thanks ahead of time!
 

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A few friends of mine are lawyers, and their years as junior associates were days filled with research, research, research, writing memos and summaries (forget the legal term), and basically doing a lot of grunt work that they never got any thanks for. Also, they all--without exception--worked 6 days a week, sometimes 7, in excess of 12 hours a day.

Part time work is probably more likely to be plausible in a small firm where they're more flexible. I'm sure some real lawyers will chime in, but that's my experience. I know my friends would not have been able to get an advanced law degree while working at the biglaw firms they were, but I know some people have done it.
 

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At a big law firm, especially in the north east, he'd not be able to work part time, very unlikely. His day would be filled with the following:

-- legal research. Looking up and writing memos on fine points of law that will be used by more senior lawyers in their motions and briefs.

-- document review. He'd be looking through boxes of documents (or docuemnts online these days) looking for documents that are protected by the attorney-client privilege (so they are not given to the opposing side) or to see if they are relevant to the case, and should be produced.

-- drafting discovery requests/response. So much of civil law is discovery so he'd be drafting lots of document requests and interrogatories.

His day would start around 9am and end anywhere from 6 to 10pm. If a trial is coming up, longer hours and weekends.

Hope that helps!
 

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For an associate at a big law firm the definition of a day off: Two free hours on Sunday. Seriously, these guys are putting in 80 hours per week -- MINIMUM!!!

Most associates don't even get unpacked in their first three years or so. Take a look at THE FIRM for a good idea of what a first year lawyer goes through (throw out the Mafia).

Some of the bigger law firms in the Northeast actually have laundry services in house, because people literally do not leave for days.

Best of luck,

Jim Clark-Dawe
 

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It's in the northeast U.S. - civil, not criminal, law. My MC is also working on his grad degree in Business Law so he can be of service in the family business, a large and successful one that he's dreams of heading up one day.

That strikes me as really, really bizarre, to the point of complete implausibility (and note, I am a lawyer). Graduate law degrees--ok, just to be clear, in the US, ALL law degrees are graduate degrees. The JD, which is the degree you need to become a lawyer, is a graduate degree. The law degrees that you can get after the JD, which must be what you're referring to here, are the LLM and/or the JSD. But there are only two reasons that American lawyers get LLMs, and only one reason they get JSDs. Those reasons are:

(1) LLM or JSD--because they want to be a law professor. (But note, you don't NEED an LLM or JSD to be a law prof; it does help your candidacy, though).
(2) LLM only, and only in certain specific very practical subjects (e.g. tax law)--because they want to be a tax attorney or a highly specialized prosecutor or white-collar defense lawyer.

If your MC wants to develop his business knowledge such that he can run the big business someday, not only does he not need an LLM or a JSD, but neither of those degrees would be at all appropriate. Either he just needs to get more experience by continuing to work in business law (i.e. on the civil side, in a law firm that either does mainly business law or is a big firm that does a lot of different kinds of law but has a big business-law practice), or he needs to get an MBA. If he wants to work on the finance side, a Master's in accounting might also be plausible (but you can do MBA's with a specialization in finance, so that might make more sense).

FYI, either an MBA or a Master's in accounting are something his firm might actually pay for or help pay for. In this economy that's less likely, but they certainly might let him work slightly part-time in order to have time for his studies. I say "slightly" part time because there's no way they're going to let him cut his hours down below maybe 70-80% of full time. Note that if they do that, they will prorate his salary (i.e. if he's supposed to bill 2000 hours a year, which means working at least 50 hours a week, and he wants to cut it down to, say, 40 hours a week, then his required billable hours will drop by the same proportion--from 2000 to 1/5 less, i.e. to 1600--and his salary will also drop by 1/5).

The only ways I can imagine a junior associate being allowed to work part time are if he wants to get a degree that the firm thinks is useful to the firm, or if he has young kids and wants to be part-time until they're a little bit older (this latter option is drastically more common for women lawyers than men lawyers). Either way, his salary will be prorated and he won't be allowed to work what you might think of as a "true" part-time job--he'll still be at 70-80% of full-time.
 
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For an associate at a big law firm the definition of a day off: Two free hours on Sunday. Seriously, these guys are putting in 80 hours per week -- MINIMUM!!!

Well, I'm at a huge firm and I'm not--I get in between 9 and 10 and leave between 7 and 8, and only occasionally work weekends at all, and usually just a couple of hours on the weekend, from home--but then I'm not in NYC or Boston. Those are the cities reputed for the really killer legal cultures. They're also reputed to be more formal (pinstripe suits 5 days/week etc.) than west coast, midwestern or small-town firms... well, small-town firms in the south are probably pretty formal too, but I'm going off on a tangent here...

Some of the bigger law firms in the Northeast actually have laundry services in house, because people literally do not leave for days.

We have a local dry cleaner who stops by to pick up and drop off. The clothes get picked up from/dropped off to each lawyer, or to their secretaries when the lawyers are busy. But that's not because it's typical to stay here for days--it's because sometimes, in the heat of a particular case, you do hit the killer hours that everyone hears about. But it's not like that every day or every week.
 
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That strikes me as really, really bizarre, to the point of complete implausibility (and note, I am a lawyer). Graduate law degrees--ok, just to be clear, in the US, ALL law degrees are graduate degrees.

Yes, I knew that - I meant to say an advanced degree, sorry.

(2) LLM only, and only in certain specific very practical subjects (e.g. tax law)--because they want to be a tax attorney or a highly specialized prosecutor or white-collar defense lawyer.
If he wants to work on the finance side, a Master's in accounting might also be plausible (but you can do MBA's with a specialization in finance, so that might make more sense).
Either of these is a possibility - thanks for that info! It reconfirms that I really, really need to dig into this MC's background more and shape it much better. His law career is not shown in major scenes, mainly alluded to in the story. But now I see that it would shape his entire life, really...

His problem is that, he got the law degree to please his family - but what he really loves is business. It's made me as conflicted as he is, trying to figure him out - ha!

I say "slightly" part time because there's no way they're going to let him cut his hours down below maybe 70-80% of full time.
So how would anyone ever be able to take classes? Just from a practical standpoint of schedule...
 

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His problem is that, he got the law degree to please his family - but what he really loves is business. It's made me as conflicted as he is, trying to figure him out - ha!

So how would anyone ever be able to take classes? Just from a practical standpoint of schedule...

The problem with this conflict is that it may not be enough of a conflict. Many schools have a joint JD/MBA program where you can get the two degrees in four years, so he could please both his parents and himself with only one extra year of schooling.
 

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Originally Posted by jclarkdawe
For an associate at a big law firm the definition of a day off: Two free hours on Sunday. Seriously, these guys are putting in 80 hours per week -- MINIMUM!!![
Well, I'm at a huge firm and I'm not--I get in between 9 and 10 and leave between 7 and 8, and only occasionally work weekends at all, and usually just a couple of hours on the weekend, from home--but then I'm not in NYC or Boston. Those are the cities reputed for the really killer legal cultures. They're also reputed to be more formal (pinstripe suits 5 days/week etc.) than west coast, midwestern or small-town firms... well, small-town firms in the south are probably pretty formal too, but I'm going off on a tangent here...

The OP asked about the northeast and specifically listed Boston. I'm assuming she's talking about the big, downtown firms there. I'll agree, once you get out of the downtown firms, the hours go down quite a bit. The downtown firms in Chicago are pretty rugged as well. Having had several classmates that went this route (a few who made partner), I saw what they went through.

Originally Posted by jclarkdawe
Some of the bigger law firms in the Northeast actually have laundry services in house, because people literally do not leave for days.

We have a local dry cleaner who stops by to pick up and drop off. The clothes get picked up from/dropped off to each lawyer, or to their secretaries when the lawyers are busy. But that's not because it's typical to stay here for days--it's because sometimes, in the heat of a particular case, you do hit the killer hours that everyone hears about. But it's not like that every day or every week.

Again, this is the exception, not the rule, but I know of at least two law firms in NYC and one in Boston with laundry service. Whether they ship the clothes off site I don't know. What I do know is your secretary will arrange for clean clothes in a couple of hours. But when you're involved in a Blue Sky, you can be stuck for several days as changes are made.

One of the goals/games in the big firms is billing 24 hours in one day.

These firms are the exception to the rule. But if the OP is looking at the big time, Boston, NYC, DC firms, I stand by my answer.

Best of luck,

Jim Clark-Dawe
 

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I live in DC and it would be impossible for an associate at a big firm to do an MBA on the side. Not with the hours they keep. (I'm not a lawyer, but I've dated them and, over the course of our friendship, many of my friends have moved from associate to partner.)

I know a number of people who did the JD/MBA combo.

Why does he need the business degree to help the family business? If he has money, as you suggest, he could hire the expertise he needs. Also business school and real world expertise aren't the same thing.

Is going to business school essential to the plot?
 
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I know of only ONE situation where a brand new lawyer was taken on part time- and that was because he was 70 years old.

Seriously. He already had several OTHER degrees, and decided to go get a law degree at 67. When he graduated at 70, a prominent law firm took him on - because he had EXTENSIVE business connections in Oil/Gas - and they were practicing oil and gas law. So they hired him as much for his past associations and connections, as his brand new law degree.

Don't think that helps you in particular, if your character is in his late 20's. I SUPPOSE you could have an 'inside deal' arranged? If it's all about the family business, and Pop knows Mr. Dewey at Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe... Mr. Dewey MIGHT hire on Junior, 'part time' and let him go on to school - in anticipation of all the juicy work that Pop's business will send to Dewey, Cheatum and Howe.

Maybe Mr. Dewey OWES Pop a 'big favor' for some reason?

At any rate, it would certainly be unusual for a new hire to work part time - you could justify it, but you'd have to work in the resentment other new hires had about the situation.

My two cents.

(So basically, you'd have to find motivation for the firm to break the normal procedures. Either anticipation of future work/connections, a personal favor to an old friend, blackmail, or because this person is so damned amazing - perhaps even a celebrity in his field, that it would be worth it to the firm to simply have his name attached as a first year.)
 
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Bree,

I agree with all the good advice/facts in this thread, and I am a lawyer, have been a lawyer, er full equity partner in a big firm for a long time. My son is a lawyer. All civil, pretty much all at "hourly firms"--meaning we work by the hour (or tenths) and bill by the hour, the more the hours the more everyone at the firm is happy, except maybe the worker.

That said, I see a nice conflict brewing, one that happened in the real world in two firms I know well--big East Coast firms, one in NYC.

Young law student gets interviewed for a day at big firm. Hiring partner says, "Why did they call you back for this next round? So-so law school, so-so grades. I must talk to the fellow who screened you on campus."

Young recruit looks around the office, yawns, smiles slightly. "Sir, appreciate that very much. Whoever I go with gets the [humongous international brand-name] account and all its legal work in the US. My dad is majority shareholder."

Young recruit got the offer, made partner in record time, and big firm doubled in size very fast. Young lawyer set his own hours, got all the degrees he wanted.

The second true story is about one of my law profs, on the far side of Genius with a quick wit and a truly photographic memory both through his eyes and ears. If he saw or heard it one time, he could repeat it word for word, case citation for case citation, for a very long time afterwards. The summer he clerked for big NYC white shoe firm he rolled in about ten every morning and left by five every afternoon--and left behind more good tapes and notes for staff to type up than any other two hot shot young summer clerks combined. He's now the dean of a very major law school.

So, give your MC something like that, and it all fits. g.
 

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I'm also curious as to why your MC needs a business degree. While law schools have certain required classes for first year students, they are generally free to take electives after that (so, your MC could have opted to take lots of business law classes, for example).
 

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Yes, I knew that - I meant to say an advanced degree, sorry.

Advanced degree = graduate degree. Thus, a law degree is also an advanced degree. Not to be pedantic, but you don't want little errors like that to creep into your MS.

His problem is that, he got the law degree to please his family - but what he really loves is business.

But see... that's actually not a problem. There is no incompatibility between law and business. After the first year of law school (which itself includes a couple of classes directly relevant to business, i.e. contracts and business organizations), law students have two years in which to study whatever they want (there may be one or two more requirements to complete, e.g. an upper-level legal writing class, but basically the last two years are entirely law and law-related ELECTIVES). Thus, a law student interested in business could take nothing but business-related law classes. I've seen law school classes on everything from the legal issues involved in starting up an emerging technology company to antitrust litigation--there's just a vast range of law classes related to business.

And then the law student could graduate, pass the bar exam and go work exclusively on business-related law. He could work "on the corporate side/in corporate" (i.e. business deals, mergers and acquisitions, etc.) or in litigation in which the parties are businesses, but either way, he could do nothing but business law. So the thing is... there IS no conflict between business and law. The only conflict is between working as a business lawyer and working as a businessman (of whatever type: corporate executive, entrepreneur...). Why did his family want him to go to law school--what was their goal? Did they want him to become GC (general counsel) for the family company, or did they want him to work as a lawyer elsewhere and not work for the company at all? THAT kind of issue is where your conflict might lay. Particularly if they didn't want him to work for the family company and he does want to work for it.

So how would anyone ever be able to take classes? Just from a practical standpoint of schedule...

Google "executive MBA" or "part-time MBA" to get an idea, when it comes to MBAs. And of course, for other topics, there are always evening or weekend classes.
 

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I know of only ONE situation where a brand new lawyer was taken on part time- and that was because he was 70 years old.

Seriously. He already had several OTHER degrees, and decided to go get a law degree at 67. When he graduated at 70, a prominent law firm took him on - because he had EXTENSIVE business connections in Oil/Gas - and they were practicing oil and gas law. So they hired him as much for his past associations and connections, as his brand new law degree.

I would bet they hired him as "of counsel," and not as an associate. That's typically how older people with particularized expertise and no desire to work crazy hours or become partner get hired.

Don't think that helps you in particular, if your character is in his late 20's. I SUPPOSE you could have an 'inside deal' arranged? If it's all about the family business, and Pop knows Mr. Dewey at Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe... Mr. Dewey MIGHT hire on Junior, 'part time' and let him go on to school - in anticipation of all the juicy work that Pop's business will send to Dewey, Cheatum and Howe.

That actually doesn't strike me as totally implausible, if it's a smallish law firm. It's harder to picture for a big one with offices all over the world. The bigger the firm, the more standardized their hiring practices become--it gets harder to bend the rules, in a way. I'm not saying it's impossible, and I bow to the actual experience of the other lawyer on this thread. I'm just saying it's probably easier for that to happen in a smaller firm.

But maybe I misunderstood the OP--I didn't picture the MC as a first-year associate, just as a junior associate. HIRING someone to START as a part-time lawyer is weird. Hiring someone full time, and then switching them to part time a year or two or three down the road, in response to some life change (e.g. parenthood or needing to get an additional degree), is what I was picturing.
 
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