What exactly makes a book "fantasy" ?

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TheAmir

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I've a slight dilemma here. The only genre that seems to fit for the WIP I'm on right now is the Fantasy genre, but I admit there are going to be very, very few "fantasy" elements in it. There will be no magic, and there will be no magical races, though the main character is identified as Jinn, that is - in fact- superstition created by the culture he grew up in. He's human. I got the idea from a news story I read a few years ago where a woman was stoned to death because the people of her village believed she was a Jinni. There isn't a "sacred quest" that has to happen either, which is usually the bread and butter of most fantasy stories. There are a few exceptions, but not many I can think of.

The story DOES take place in another world, but it is similar in many ways to Earth. While the mythos of this world is different and the customs and some of the terminology isn't the same, everything you find there you would also find in reality.

I'll be frank when I say I usually don't enjoy the fantasy genre much. There's actually really only one series I like that's classified as fantasy, and that would be G.R.R.M.'s a Song of Ice and Fire. Everything else - and I mean no offense to anyone - seems a little cheesy. For whatever reason, I can't really get myself to believe this orphan boy has a mystical sword and is fighting an evil wizard or whatever else the scenario is. It's just not my favorite genre to read.

I do enjoy many classics, and I especially enjoy fiction set in history that uses a lot of detail and even fact. But I'm no history major and so I don't know enough to actually write my own story in a historically accurate setting, and quite honestly I like being able to take cultures I've read about and mish-mash them together in a new way.

The thing I'm not sure of is if my WIP actually falls under the "Fantasy" genre or if it's just going to be considered general Fiction. Are there some unspoken guidelines that writers know of that can separate what IS and ISN'T considered Fantasy?
 

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I used to tell my son he was living in a 'fantasy' world... because of his tendancy to daydream. (The acorn didn't fall far from that tree.)

One of my favorite books, is "Dandelion Wine" by Ray Bradbury. It is actually a loose collection of stories about a young boy growing up in Greentown Illinois. It is considered 'fantasy' because the boy has a very 'magical' point of view about life. After all is said and done, one could argue that it was all just a matter of what was going on in the boy's head. Did Dorothy ACTUALLY travel to OZ in the movie version, or was it - after all - something she simply dreamed after being hit on the head and knocked unconcious?

Your book COULD be considered as fantasy, simply because it takes place in an 'imaginary' - that is, fantasy - world. It sounds like there are 'fantastical' elements beyond the ordinary as well.

Your book will probably fall under SEVERAL types of sub-genre's to the FICTION category.
 

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Ditto, WriteKnight and ChaosTitan...

One thing about your discussion of fantasy, TheAmir -- you describe it in terms of cliches. If you are doing an original "what if" in an alternative world, so much more power to you.

Personally, my last two WIP included elves and gargolyes. Current one, faeries.
 

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On a personal level I've nothing against high fantasy :) it just doesn't particularly interest me. Then again I know that historical fiction bores a lot of people while it entertains me quite a bit. All a mater of taste and that - so I say more power to the gargoyles and faeries because there is certainly a market for it !

Anyway, thanks for the replies. Maybe I should just stop worrying about what genre it will fall under all together for now anyway and stop trying to squeeze it into one little category. Especially since I guess it will probably fall under several sub-genres and I'm sure it'll find a niche somewhere amongst them.
 

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I'll echo ChaosTitan's assessment: alternative reality. And my preferences are parallel to yours, when it comes to young men (or women) on epic quests, mythological beings, magic. Even in SF, the genre where I write most often, I balk at aliens and too much manipulation of physics. But I am intrigued with stories where the borders of SF and Fantasy are blurred, because, as Clarke's Third Law states: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
 

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I agree that if you're going to worry about genre, your WIP probably falls under the speculative fiction/alternative reality category for me. I don't think it's necessarily worth worrying about what label your work should have unless you're trying to get agents interested. Just do write whatever works best for the story, and worry later.

There isn't a "sacred quest" that has to happen either, which is usually the bread and butter of most fantasy stories. There are a few exceptions, but not many I can think of... I'll be frank when I say I usually don't enjoy the fantasy genre much. There's actually really only one series I like that's classified as fantasy, and that would be G.R.R.M.'s a Song of Ice and Fire. Everything else - and I mean no offense to anyone - seems a little cheesy. For whatever reason, I can't really get myself to believe this orphan boy has a mystical sword and is fighting an evil wizard or whatever else the scenario is. It's just not my favorite genre to read.

I don't personally write orphans on quests against dark lords with magic swords and the rest myself. But I write about people with magic, so I regard what I write as fantasy more than it is anything else. I am kind of wondering how much fantasy you've read, because there is a massive amount of fantasy out there which is nowhere near your definition. For a start, maybe try Neil Gaiman, Ursula Le Guin or Nina Kiriki Hoffman.
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about labels and would instead focus on the story.

There are many more tales to tell besides "the boy with a magic sword on a quest".

Just make sure you have a compelling story with an intriguing character. The fantasy market is broadening and many people are tired of the 'same old' stories, but I wouldn't worry too much about the marketing aspect of it just yet.

Speculative fiction is just that - speculative. It encompasses anything that isn't run-of-the-mill everyday.

Just get it done and write the best story you can. People never tire of a good story
 

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you don't like fantasy!!? and most of all that god awful boy with magic sword?! those are some of my favorites!?! (when i was a much younger teen.)

nah but seriously, there is a lot of fantasy out there.

what classifies fantasy is that something is fantastical about it, or not normal.

and honestly, i am surprized Ruv hasn't been here yet.
 

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I've read a fair bit of fantasy, but not huge amounts because I don't find myself terribly interested with the genre. I picked up the ones that people kept recommending as "Fantasy you should read". Tolkien, Jordan, Tad Williams, Terry Goodkind, Sara Douglas, Glenn Cook, Terry Brooks, Anne McCafrrey, and George R. R. Martin (however I -really- like his Ice and Fire series), Neil Gaiman, Clive Barker, Stephen King's The Dark Tower, etc.. etc.

And the only one I really got into was the Ice and Fire, because there was a grittiness to it that made the characters more believable for me. The Dark Tower had the grittiness, but I just didn't like how King wrote it.

Anyway /shrug <_< it's just not my favorite genre to read, but I enjoy -writing- it, though as I've admitted, it's usually not so much fantasy as apparently "alternate reality" sort of deal.
 

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For whatever reason, I can't really get myself to believe this orphan boy has a mystical sword and is fighting an evil wizard or whatever else the scenario is. It's just not my favorite genre to read.
Maybe you need to expand your horizons. I've been reading fantasy for years and have yet to come across that story.

Fantasy is a HUGE umbrella of which "the quest" is just one small subgenre.
 

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What the Ferret said.

Also, since you mentioned (I believe) enjoying historical, there's plenty of historical fantasy. Guy Gavriel Kay is my favorite and you might like *some* of his work.

You'd prolly (hopefully?) enjoy- Tigana, The Sarantium series (2 books), and the Lions of Al Rassan. And a Song for Arbonne maybe.

You *might* like Ysabel, which is loosely connected to The Fionavar Tapestry, which I strongly doubt you will enjoy (it's my favorite though). You also will probably not find The Last Light interesting, if only because it gets quite fantastical with faeries and whatnots.

That's my GGKay plug. There are plenty of other historical fantasies, lacking sword meets boy meets wizard themes that you might enjoy.
 

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I would class any speculative element other than advanced science as fantasy--but the readership sometimes does assume fantasy involves magic as the speculative element in the place of science.
 

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My personal viewpoint is that Fantasy has a strong element of something fantastic that's core to the story. That something fantastic isn't explained, isn't rationalized, isn't understood in any form of scientific terms--it just is allowed to be fantastic. Fantasy is a modern equivalent to ancient myths and legends.

Not everyone agrees with me, though. *shrug*
 

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The thing I'm not sure of is if my WIP actually falls under the "Fantasy" genre or if it's just going to be considered general Fiction. Are there some unspoken guidelines that writers know of that can separate what IS and ISN'T considered Fantasy?

I think you should check out Viking: Sworn Brother by Tim Severin, it may just be what your looking for. It's written with great historical accuracy, but has a hit of fantasy to it because the random things that happen to the MC are attributed to the pagan gods that are believed to exist.
 
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