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1: Do you follow the rules when you write?

2: What Rules?

1: The rules of writing.

2: What rules are those?

1: You know, the ones you learn in books about how to, and how “not to”, write? The stuff college professors preach as if from the pulpit, and fellow critique members reciting as if they are trying just as hard to convince themselves of these mythic “laws” as they are you.

2: You mean like, always use a question mark at the end of a question?

1: No. I’m referring more to things like, “show, don’t tell”, and “never break point of view”, “use short paragraphs”, and “get rid of those speaker attributions, and stick with ‘he said/she said’.”

2: Oh, and don’t forget, “adverbs are for hacks.”

1: Yea. Exactly…um…so are they?

2: Well, 1, in my humble opinion—which in truth is not so humble as I would lead you to believe—rules are useless, and in some cases can even become a hindrance, because in truth, they don’t exist. However, we could also hypothesize that, if we as writers were to shift our perspective, only slightly (just a smidge to the left or right, or up or down…oh, all right, or forward or backwards), and we were able to see these so called “RULES” less as divine commandments—etched upon stone tablets that are then ground into fine power and spoon fed to the great writers of the world—and they could be seen more as guidelines, or signposts left behind by those who have traveled before us, then these so called “RULES” might possibly be transmuted into something of real value. Something that is our own.

1: That was a very long sentence.

2: That is beside the point.

1: So you are saying that rules are not something that I should spend much time worrying about…like whether or not it’s “ok” to use footnotes in a novel.

2: First of all, if you’re worrying about them, these RULES, then you aren’t writing. You’re worrying. That helps exactly no one. The question you might want to ask yourself is this: Am I telling my story well? Does what I’m doing work? It’s often difficult to know for yourself, but the more you find your personal “groove,” your style, the more you’ll know for yourself what works and what doesn’t; when the RULES apply, and when they stink like the men’s locker room in my local gym. You may give your story to a fellow writer, and they might say (very much with conviction…and possibly some heart-felt concern): “Hey man, you know, you should never use footnotes in a novel! It jerks people out of the immediacy of the story if they feel they have to read that side-crap. Once that happens, you’re dead, man! I’m tellin’ you as your friend, you’re frickin’ dead!” And then you give the same manuscript to someone else; someone who knows nothing about the mechanics of writing, and they exclaim: “I loved the footnotes! They gave me the feeling that what I was reading was something that actually happened.”

1: What about “show don’t tell”? That’s all I seem to hear from my fellow writers these days. They may even say something like: “I really liked the part where you explained in detail how the murderous, Purple-Veined Alien-Space Weed devours its victims by way of slowly turning them inside-out over a period of seventy years, and that most people don’t know the weed is even inside of them until they are too old to care. It’s really well written, but I think you should have a character deliver the information, like they would in a movie.”

2: That’s always a choice. Just have Hermione Granger pull out a book and rattle off the information. It worked for J.K. Rowling. She’s fabulous, no question here. But what works for YOU? For your story? In the end, it might have more to do with the “voice” of your work than anything else. I know that I can read John Irving with a grin on my face, or a lump in my throat (and yes, sometimes tears in my eyes) till the cows come home. John loves to “tell” us about the lives of peculiar characters, just as much as he “shows” us…and I can’t get enough. Both of these authors have very strong voices. They are like close friends. I’ll listen to them ramble on for hours without tiring…whatever they have to say.

1: Well, that’s enough for now, 2. Let’s see what somebody else has to say on the subject. ;)
 

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3: Write your story the way you want to write it. You are the author. You know how to best tell your story.

2: Really? It's that easy? I don't have to worry about any of that writing rules crap?

3: Nope.

2: Really?

3: Really.

2: Wait. Wait. There's a catch, right?

3: No catch.

2: So agents won't have a problem with it if I go my own way?

3: You only have to put a couple of paragraphs in your query.

2: And then what happens?

3: If the agent likes the query, she'll ask for the first three chapters.

2: But, she may not be able to see my brilliant disregard of those stupid rules in the first three chapters. She might just get the idea that I don't know what I'm doing. She may not see that my writing rises above all of those proletarian conventions of writing modern fiction.

3: Uh, yeah. Whatever.

2: Can't I just send the entire manuscript? She'll see it then. It's just another fucking rule, anyway. I'll just send the whole thing. In fact, I won't even bother with a query. My writing doesn't deserve to go that route. They'll see how stupid their rules are. They'll be beating down my door. Publishing companies will send it into a bidding war. Let the jerk-offs do the query thing. I don't have time for it. I have to get this story out there.

3: Uh. I don't think it works like that.

2: What the fuck do you know. You probably outline.

3: Good luck to you.

2: What's that supposed to mean? I bet there are publishers out there who'd take my story in a minute because it's so innovative. And fresh. It's a breath of fresh air. None of the stank I've been reading in SYW. The things people post in there are fantastic, and then the AW lemmings show up and start spouting their rules, and all that good writing goes to crap. Stinks up my monitor something fierce.

3: You probably won't want to post there, then.

2: I did, once. Got so pissed at the nose-in-the-air jerk-offs I was banned for telling them so. I had to come back here with another username so I could tell you all how full of shit you are. And that you'll see.

3: Good luck to you.

2: Fuck you.
 
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The only rule I really try to follow is to keep it interesting. If you follow that one, you can break all the rest.
 

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Oddly enough, I've found that the majority of writers who decry "needless" rules are the ones who most need to follow them.
 

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When you know what the rules are and why they exist, feel free to break them at will.
 

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Oddly enough, I've found that the majority of writers who decry "needless" rules are the ones who most need to follow them.

QFT.

If you understand why you are breaking the rules, if you understand that you are breaking a rule in the first place, then I totally approve. So long as it is a choice, and not your only option.
 

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I have to say the most interesting thing in this thread is NeuroFizz's cool new avatar! :D
 

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Can't.........breathe........OP's.......ego.......sucking.......out......all.......the.......air.

Fuzz, seriously dude, what's with the hair? it's gonna give me nightmares. :D
 

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I prefer to think of them more like guidelines, like the Pirate Code. And of course, to break them, you need to understand where they come from and why they're there.
 

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I prefer to think of them more like guidelines, like the Pirate Code. And of course, to break them, you need to understand where they come from and why they're there.
This... exactly.
 

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Well, CaroGirl, Toothpaste, and kuwisdelu already beat me to my point and said it a lot better and more succinctly than I ever could have, so...phhbbbtt. :D
 

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Both egads and I had a little fun here while making points, and the subsequent comments have been good ones.

A writer has the freedom to write any way he/she pleases.

Writing "rules" are just guidelines and are thus flexible.

It's a good idea to understand and appreciate the rules so one knows how to break them in ways that serve as tools to better tell a story.

Regarless of how we demand the freedom to go against the guidelines, as new and developing writers, we risk sending our manuscripts to the slush pile if we don't show some kind of purpose or mastery behind the shed guildelines. Otherwise we risk looking like amateurs.

Whether we want to admit it or not, established writers can get away with way more than we (beginning and developing writers) can.

"Because he or she did it that way" is not a pathway to developing excellence in the craft. Developing excellence in writing requires that we have good reasons to both follow and discard the guidelines.
 
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3: Write your story the way you want to write it. You are the author. You know how to best tell your story.

2: Really? It's that easy? I don't have to worry about any of that writing rules crap?

3: Nope.

2: Really?

3: Really.

2: Wait. Wait. There's a catch, right?

3: No catch.

2: So agents won't have a problem with it if I go my own way?

3: You only have to put a couple of paragraphs in your query.

2: And then what happens?

3: If the agent likes the query, she'll ask for the first three chapters.

2: But, she may not be able to see my brilliant disregard of those stupid rules in the first three chapters. She might just get the idea that I don't know what I'm doing. She may not see that my writing rises above all of those proletarian conventions of writing modern fiction.

3: Uh, yeah. Whatever.

2: Can't I just send the entire manuscript? She'll see it then. It's just another fucking rule, anyway. I'll just send the whole thing. In fact, I won't even bother with a query. My writing doesn't deserve to go that route. They'll see how stupid their rules are. They'll be beating down my door. Publishing companies will send it into a bidding war. Let the jerk-offs do the query thing. I don't have time for it. I have to get this story out there.

3: Uh. I don't think it works like that.

2: What the fuck do you know. You probably outline.

3: Good luck to you.

2: What's that supposed to mean? I bet there are publishers out there who'd take my story in a minute because it's so innovative. And fresh. It's a breath of fresh air. None of the stank I've been reading in SYW. The things people post in there are fantastic, and then the AW lemmings show up and start spouting their rules, and all that good writing goes to crap. Stinks up my monitor something fierce.

3: You probably won't want to post there, then.

2: I did, once. Got so pissed at the nose-in-the-air jerk-offs I was banned for telling them so. I had to come back here with another username so I could tell you all how full of shit you are. And that you'll see.

3: Good luck to you.

2: Fuck you.

:ROFL: ... You've had this conversation before, haven't you Neurofizz? You're a lot nicer than I am. I keep my mouth shut and let them get buried under a pile of rejection letters. :e2teeth: In cases such as these, natural consequences is a much better teacher. ;)
 

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I fail to understand the point of this whole exercise. ive never seen a thread in AW that says you "have to do it this way and no ifs and or buts about it". It's always tempered with you do what works and if it works you break the rules, but you can break the rules successfully once you know what they are. i can probably find three of those in the past two weeks. so what's the point of this one? other than you and egads getting your jollies.
 
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People looking for shortcuts to success? *shrugs* I dunno.

Readers see writers breaking the rules and figure "If they can do it, so can I."
 

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I fail to understand the point of this whole exercise. ive never seen a thread in AW that says you "have to do it this way and no ifs and or buts about it". It's always tempered with you do what works and if it works you break the rules, but you can break the rules successfully once you know what they are. i can probably find three of those in the past two weeks. so what's the point of this one? other than you and egads getting your jollies.

Post #14 above summarizes what may be useful information to some of the readers here. Humor can frequently enrich a discussion, and I followed what I thought was a humorous post by egads (with a built in good point) with another of equal humor (and intended points as well). Sorry if you found it a waste of your time. [This last sentence sounds testy and it's not intended to be. I realize these things are hashed over many times. But there may be people reading about the topic for the first time here at AW. And I did have fun writing my first post.]
 
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3: Write your story the way you want to write it. You are the author. You know how to best tell your story.

2: Really? It's that easy? I don't have to worry about any of that writing rules crap?

3: Nope.

2: Really?

3: Really.

2: Wait. Wait. There's a catch, right?

3: No catch.

2: So agents won't have a problem with it if I go my own way?

3: You only have to put a couple of paragraphs in your query.

2: And then what happens?

3: If the agent likes the query, she'll ask for the first three chapters.

2: But, she may not be able to see my brilliant disregard of those stupid rules in the first three chapters. She might just get the idea that I don't know what I'm doing. She may not see that my writing rises above all of those proletarian conventions of writing modern fiction.

3: Uh, yeah. Whatever.

2: Can't I just send the entire manuscript? She'll see it then. It's just another fucking rule, anyway. I'll just send the whole thing. In fact, I won't even bother with a query. My writing doesn't deserve to go that route. They'll see how stupid their rules are. They'll be beating down my door. Publishing companies will send it into a bidding war. Let the jerk-offs do the query thing. I don't have time for it. I have to get this story out there.

3: Uh. I don't think it works like that.

2: What the fuck do you know. You probably outline.

3: Good luck to you.

2: What's that supposed to mean? I bet there are publishers out there who'd take my story in a minute because it's so innovative. And fresh. It's a breath of fresh air. None of the stank I've been reading in SYW. The things people post in there are fantastic, and then the AW lemmings show up and start spouting their rules, and all that good writing goes to crap. Stinks up my monitor something fierce.

3: You probably won't want to post there, then.

2: I did, once. Got so pissed at the nose-in-the-air jerk-offs I was banned for telling them so. I had to come back here with another username so I could tell you all how full of shit you are. And that you'll see.

3: Good luck to you.

2: Fuck you.

Good points, well made. Although with your hair, I expected a little more pimp type swearing.
 

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Hi all,

I probably should have started my post with: “The following commentary may express views, statements, and opinions that are not necessarily those of the author.” :)

My original post was not meant as a slight towards anyone (rule enthusiasts, or anarchists alike), but more as a funny way to start up a dialog. 1 and 2 were characters throwing ideas and opinions around in my head, and I thought it was really fun that NeuroFizz decided to play along. Funny stuff, Neuro!

As for my personal feelings towards RULES and writing, I have found through experience that the more I read and write, the more these rules become second nature. They seep into the background, so I don’t have to think about them so much. I can’t and do not wish to bash them, because I use them constantly. I pick them up and use them when needed, like a good tool.

Thanks for playing, NeoroFizz. And I’m hoping that 5 and 6 show up soon. If anyone has an opinion on the subject, it’s 6.
 

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When it comes to the rules of writing I always come back to Rudyard Kipling and his poem "In the Neolithic Age."

"There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays,
And every single one of them is right!"

You can do anything you want: so long as you do it on purpose.

Sentence fragments with malice aforethought: Good.
Sentence fragments because you don't know what a sentence is: Bad.

Oh, there is one other catch; you have to do it well enough that it works for the reader.

Now on to "The Rules."

As others may have said, they're not really rules - more like guidelines - but I don't think that's quite right either. I look at them as techniques, or better yet, shortcuts. Writing is an empirical art and "The Rules" are a distillation of collective wisdom showing how to write something publishable, It's not the only way, it's the easy way.

If you choose not to follow these rules the "Writish Inquisition" will not hunt you down; no one will poke you with sharp sticks (though people may laugh at you). However, readers may find it more difficult to get immersed in your world, or follow your story.

Breaking the rules works well when you get the intended effect; it works less well when you get an unintended effect.
 

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4. I dunno, don't rules come into play during revision?

2. Get the hell away from me.

4. Still pissed at 3?

3. (He's being a baby.)

4. (Quit texting me. I'm not going out with you.)

2. No, I'm kind of upset with myself. I mean, I keep giving myself to him, over and over again-- and then we talk about rules and break up - it's this endless cycle!

4. (You slept with her! YOU PRICK!)

3. (Caps isn't yelling. It's just bigger text.)

2. Do you ever put your phone down?

1. Holy christ, are you guys still here?

... Yaknow, this whole inner dialogue stuff doesn't work for me.
 
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