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David Erlewine

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Hi all, I posted this in the YA thread but realized it might be more of a "generic" question. So, without further ado...

Firstly, I've been on this board for years (as "writingfornothing" and now under my, ahem, real name). :) I lurk like a ****** and sometimes post. Here's my big issue. I'm wrapping up the first draft of my novel. It started as a YA about a stuttering teen with an "abusive" father (not in traditional sense...just trying to cure his son of the stutter). However, I began sprinkling in short chapters from the father's POV (a stutterer himself but fairly covert and controlled).

The novel is now in the format of alternating chapters, from son's pov and father's pov, respectively. The novel is about 60,000 words and I expect to add 10,000 - 15,000 words during edits (I was very worried about not writing the first draft and refused to keep circling back...so I expect to flesh out a few aspects in later drafts).

I'm confused though about how to market this down the road to agents. I think the boy's chapters are sort of YA (he's jaded but resolute, he deals a lot of garbage that stutterers deal with in high school and also his rough father, etc.). The chapters from father's POV are based on some of my decent publications about fathers who really mean well towards their children but sometimes act like monsters (Pedestal Magazine, elimae, SmokeLong, etc). These chapters feel more like what some would dub "literary" than classic YA.

Is this a problem for me when approaching agents in terms of trying to categorize the book? Should I be looking at agents who do both YA and literary?

Thank you for ANY insight you can offer. David
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I'm not sure; but is 75,000 too long for YA?

To me it sounds more like adult crime fiction.
 

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Laugh...not that kind of monsters! Heh


The father is just very domineering, trying to cure the son. Sort of like very much watered down father from Great Santini. Like VERY watered down.

Yes, I suspect 75k may be a bit long for YA. I am debating just doing one book with the chapters of the boy and in the book work in the father from boy's perspective. I could always use the father's POV stuff in book #2.

THANKS so much for weighing in!
 

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It sounds like fiction for adults to me. It's important--and a big plus--that you have alternating chapters capturing the voice and attitudes of the kid, but having the other half be from the adult perspective makes me think it would be a hard, hard sell as a YA. Remember, every adult reader was a kid once, so if you've totally nailed the kid chapters, they'll resonate with adults.

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It sounds like fiction for adults to me. It's important--and a big plus--that you have alternating chapters capturing the voice and attitudes of the kid, but having the other half be from the adult perspective makes me think it would be a hard, hard sell as a YA. Remember, every adult reader was a kid once, so if you've totally nailed the kid chapters, they'll resonate with adults.

Maryn, pleased to re-meet you (but still not using her real name)

Thanks...Maryn! You're hilarious. And I love the Catch-22 reference. All my short stories are tagged as "literary" (I guess) so I think the novel is heading that way. Thank so so so much.
 

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Make the kid a stuttering vampire in love with a mortal and you have nothing to worry about.;)
 

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I don't think 75k is too long for a young adult novel. Juvenile maybe, but we teens can easily handle something of that length.

I see Maryn's point, though, that YA is a smallish circle on the Ven Diagram of genre and literary might gain you a wider audience. Maybe you could ask some readers--teens and adults--to give it a look at see which group it resonates with most.
 

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YA novels run long and short, ditto for general literature novels. You can crack walnuts with some of 'em.

Send it in when you're ready and let your agent figure it out while you work on the NEXT book!
 

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YA novels run long and short, ditto for general literature novels. You can crack walnuts with some of 'em.

Send it in when you're ready and let your agent figure it out while you work on the NEXT book!

My agent? My agent?

If only, if only.

Thanks for the insight. You're right...I shouldn't overthink this, get too caught up in "labels", "rules", etc. Thanks!
 

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"Cross over" YA is hot right now. Also, agents love finding brilliant writers who have no idea how to market their brilliant book - makes the agent feel less guilty about taking 15%:) - so if the book is good enough you have nothing to worry about.
 

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"Cross over" YA is hot right now. Also, agents love finding brilliant writers who have no idea how to market their brilliant book - makes the agent feel less guilty about taking 15%:) - so if the book is good enough you have nothing to worry about.

You are NOT stopping me from taking "brilliant" unironically. You're just not.

Thanks...Doug. I'll read this at 1:30 am when I'm sick of writing.
 

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No rules just right...wait...that's been taken.

the point is just write the story and worry about what it is later.
There are lots of alternating POV's with older and younger characters that's considered adult fiction.
Read Breakdown Lane by Jackie Mitchard...
 

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No rules just right...wait...that's been taken.

the point is just write the story and worry about what it is later.
There are lots of alternating POV's with older and younger characters that's considered adult fiction.
Read Breakdown Lane by Jackie Mitchard...

Thanks! Kudos on Lottery!!!
 

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You are NOT stopping me from taking "brilliant" unironically. You're just not.

Thanks...Doug. I'll read this at 1:30 am when I'm sick of writing.

Be nice to me when you're rich and famous and I'm begging for a blurb.
 

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First, sounds like a really great idea. And FWIW, I'd market it as a literary novel, but send it to agents who handle both literary fiction and YA. There are several out there, that way you're hedging your bets!
 

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First, sounds like a really great idea. And FWIW, I'd market it as a literary novel, but send it to agents who handle both literary fiction and YA. There are several out there, that way you're hedging your bets!

Thanks...Sknipper. That makes a lot of sense. I think contacting those handling both is a wonderful idea. Thanks for your help and kind words! David
 
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