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Would anyone like to exchange a completed hard copy manuscript?

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Hildreth J. Little

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I am new to Absolute write as of tonight.
I am looking for someone who would like to exchange (via snail mail) full manuscripts for reciprocal editing and critiquing.
I write character driven stories about women who discover their inner strength. I need someone, other than relatives, to read my story and tell me what I need to be told. I would welcome a critique from someone who is 'thirty-something' or younger.
My credentials: Masters degree in psychology, certified Texas teacher. More importantly: I'm not 'stuck' in the female lit gendre. I read all kinds of stories, from Steinbeck to Phillipa Gregory, from Steven King to P.D.James. I think I could competently critique most gendres.
 

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Firstly, welcome to AW.

Unfortunately, you probably won't find anyone that will be willing to exchange MS's in this way. Maybe you should try posting the first chapter in the 'share your work' forum. I'm sure you will find someone there that will critique your chapter, and if they enjoy it maybe they will accept to exchange MS's over email.

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Welcome to AW. Do you have writers' groups near where you live? That might be the easiest way to exchange printed manuscripts.
 

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Hi Ugawa and Mumut. (unusual names, bytheway)
I appreciate your responses and suggestions. I've explored both options. And, I recognize that people are reluctant to establish a personal contact. So am I. A little paranoia is a good thing when using the internet.
Posting a chapter at a time divided my concentration and distracted me from the story I'm involved in now. Besides, I am barely computer literate and spent a lot of time trying to be sure that my post did not transmit weird characters etc.
I joined a group in Amarillo which meets bi-monthly. Great group, but the only members who were willing to read a manuscript wanted $1 or more per page for a superficial critique. Add to that: I had to drag myself out of bed at 6am to be in Amarillo by 9am. Who needs that? (I live in the West Texas Outback, Mumut.)
Anyway, I let these things stop me. Okay. My quest to find a reader in the same situation as I am might be naive. I might be overly optimistic to encourage 30-something readers with a completed ms to exchange. (Anyone in the 30-something range probably doesn't have two minutes to go potty, much less read a ms.)
Surely, there is someone, somewhere, who is in this same situation and who is trustworthy.
Thanks again for taking time to respond. Jane
 

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It's not really a matter of 'trustworthy', just whether people can be useful. For example, without reading an excerpt in 'Share Your Work', I can't tell if it's the kind of writing that I'd be useful at critiquing or not.

If you can get a handful of people to comment on the first handful of pages on this board, why not use it? If it piques someone's interest you may get an offer for a full read.

Good luck!

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Yup, it's nothing to do with a fear of making a personal contact. In fact, I don't swap critiques with people who won't use their real name with me. On the other hand, the thought of printing and mailing and toting around to read a MS...that I would never do again. It's just a waste of paper and of petrol to ship and of my own energy to schlep a printed MS around. The computer is your friend! So much easier and quicker to give and receive crits via e-mail.
 

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And cheaper. And often easier on the eyes. If I am going to read hard copy, it has to be in a font of my own choosing -- NOT Courier Crud.

Oh, and I don't walk a mile to the post office for anybody but an agent. ;)
 

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I appreciate the responses. Hmmm. I like having a printed page to peruse. And, the continuity of reading a story straight through, rather than waiting a week or two to see what happens next, appeals to me.
The internet is fast and puts us in touch with more people. Doing a chapter critique on the internet is sometimes like coming into a conversation ten minutes late. Anything important may have already been said. Or, the impact of the story is lost while waiting for the next installment.
What about the cost of electricity to run the computers as opposed to cost of gasoline? I drive 14 miles round trip to the PO, and, am old-fashioned enough to know that 'printed matter' gets a cost break. It seems Redzilla has had an unpleasant experience with exchanging a ms. I don't anticipate 'schleping', or even lugging, a ms around. I anticipate putting it by my chair and using a part of my usual reading time to read a 'raw' ms. (by the way..is 'Redzilla' your real name?)
I have no idea what issues Matera the Mad may have with the Courier font, but agents usually require the Courier font. Is reading from the computer screen easier on the eyes (and back and neck) than reading a printed page? The idea of acquiring a premature 'widow's hump' from hunching over the computer screen doesn't appeal to me.
Anyway, enough 'tongue in cheek' teasing...
What I had in mind was a manuscript exchange in which both manuscripts are 'agent ready'. (i.e.)Manuscripts which are correctly formatted and edited for punctuation and grammar,etc. (as closely as possible) with title page, headed and numbered pages and required elimination of 'orphan lines', etc. I had in mind to use a 'critique form' which would be agreed upon before the project began. (Which means an outlay of 42 cents to mail one sheet of paper when each chapter has been critiqued and the cost of returning the ms when the project is finished.)
I am aware that agents are requesting email queries (hooks) and I will be working on that skill. But. When an agent requests a partial or full manuscript, I want mine to be 'agent ready'. Don't you? HJL
 

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I have my monitor placed so that I do not "hunch over", thank you. My eyesight is affected by advanced glaucoma, I need a large, clear font and I can make anything readable on a computer. It is much easier than squinting and hunching over a magnifier. For fifty years I read books constantly. Now I can't.

I don't give a toot-berry what agents "want" until I need to format a manuscript to send to one. I write using a font that is comfortable to read, because I need to read it! If someone sends me a manuscript by e-mail, I can change it. I can not change what is on a ream of wasted paper.

As for the amount of electricity expended in reading a manuscript electronically, I think it compares very favorably with the use of power and materials necessary to print hundreds of pages using inefficient home printers and having the pounds of paper hauled across the continent. There must be some reason for a large trend in switching from paper to electronic media, hmm?

I don't have a car, and I don't feel like hiking to the post office in the dead of winter with a manuscript.

A writer needs to be able to grasp different points of view, is it not so? Well, now you have another bit of mine. Put dirty glass in front of your eyes and try to read 12pt Courier.
 

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You do have a difficult situation to live with. I'd extend my sympathy, but I have a feeling you wouldn't like that. So, I'll just say, "Thanks for the input, Matera the Mad."
 

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Good luck coming on-line to coax a generation of writers past processing words with ink on pounded trees to go back in time. By all means put them down if they don't jump at the chance to regress and spend more to oblige. What a wonderful grasp of psychology.

Personally I think they should feel grateful you don't want stylus impressions in dried clay ferried to the far lands by camel.

I cried all night I'm no longer thirty-something.
 

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There's no need for tension. People just look for different things. Personally, I can't imagine wading through 300 pages of printed type. It would drive me barmy. But I have a good friend who I sent my novel to by email and who printed it all out, because she struggles to read off computer. And she's not alone, by any means.

It's not a case of one form being superior or inferior to another. People have different brains at the end of the day, and thank heavens for that! World would be very montonous, otherwise. ;)
 

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I have beta readers who prefer to print out and read it in hard copy. It's not my preference, but to each their own. I just send via email and let the reader adjust font, print out or whatever makes the reading easier for them.
 

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How people want to read a manuscript is a personal choice. Sometimes I like paper. Sometimes I like an electronic version.

Hildreth, the bigger challenge for you plan is that you're asking people who don't know you to share their work. Stick around and get to know people and the chances of swapping manuscripts will increase. I'd also recommend posting scenes or bits to Share Your Work. I'm new here and I've done it. My manuscript is already better for it. The comments that I received helped me fix the scenes I posted and others (we tend to repeat the same mistakes). You can copy and paste your scene in, so you don't have to retype it.

I also think that "agent ready" should be the final draft. It's the one that you don't intend on tinkering with unless your agent or editor says to. The time for comments from other readers is before that.
 

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What a tempest in a teapot my simple question has stirred up! Somehow, this query was sidetracked into a (sometimes hostile) discussion of computer vs hard copy. Not my intention at all, y'all.
 

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Not all of us read in one place or on a reliable schedule.
:D And no, of course it's not my real name. If we swapped MSS, though, you'd know my name, address, phone, e-mail, just like an agent would, because....lots of agents request fulls and partials via e-mail, so my MS has all that on it. In fact, checking my spreadsheet, I notice I've had exactly ONE request for a full or partial in which the agent requested it in hard copy form. That's compared to the nine full or partial requests that were sent electronically. So, perhaps it's equally important to be sure that your electronic file is "agent ready."

It seems Redzilla has had an unpleasant experience with exchanging a ms. I don't anticipate 'schleping', or even lugging, a ms around. I anticipate putting it by my chair and using a part of my usual reading time to read a 'raw' ms. (by the way..is 'Redzilla' your real name?)
I am aware that agents are requesting email queries (hooks) and I will be working on that skill. But. When an agent requests a partial or full manuscript, I want mine to be 'agent ready'. Don't you? HJL
 
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