AAAHHH! *Bangs Head Against Wall*

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Makai_Lightning

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*le Sigh*

My, what a mess I've landed myself! So I started my new project a while ago. I had an idea, I had the characters, and I had the motivation. I even had some pretty cool scenes. And yet, this thing stubornly has refused to pick a place to definitively begin. I seem to be stuck, despite having 14,500 words written in the last week or two. I'm used to just getting an idea, feeling around for a little while (5000 words of actual prose, at most), and then jumping in and steamrolling through. I'm baffled. Am I truely going nowhere?

I'm guessing it's the more inherent complexity with my plot and characters this time. I've generally stuck to one character throughout and possibly switching at times when it just happened to occur to me to make sense, or occasionally just letting the plot flow and follow who's important at the time. For this one I have 4 viewpoint characters I have to get to know and play with, as well as worldbuild (fantasy). The idea is also to keep all my four characters in some way connected to each other, if not always directly. Finding a place in the story that's a good beginning for all of them is perhaps the problem. Maybe I need 5000 words each for 20,000 words before I actually get going.

I'm disliking the ambiguity. Usually I have some idea.

I'm also, since I still can at this point, waivering over whether or not to stick to 3rd person for this one or go to 1st. I love being able to fall in love with characters the way you can in 1st, and the sort of subjectivity of the narrator and getting deep into their thoughts. I'm fairly confident I'd make each narrator unique, because I wrote sections of them in 1st person when I was getting to know the characters. They didn't even come remotely close to sounding the same.

I love 3rd too, though. It lets you see their actual thoughts and actions more, where 1st gets you what they would portray their thoughts and actions as. 1st lends itself better to emotion, 3rd to logic, if I'm expressing that right, which I'm not. But I'm early enough in the development of this particular project I could switch to either, which is driving me even crazier.

UUUUGGGH. [/rant]

I suppose I'll do as I always do and just keep writing and figure it out as I go, since that generally works out eventually, but I'm frustrated.
Writing is hard. How have I not noticed that before now? Anyone else with similar experiences?
 

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Take a long walk and ask yourself some basic questions. What's the initial conflict? Where's the point where, as Uncle Jim puts it, a character walks through the stage door and it slams behind them? What's the point where they can't just decide to walk away and have a peanut butter sandwich instead of whatever happens? That's your starting point.

There may not be a good starting point for all four of them. Perhaps one gets in a canoe, and he plucks the others out of the river further downstream. Or perhaps they're all on the same bus, but haven't met, when it's invaded by mutant zombie bikers.

Your story begins when the first person gets plucked out of the river, or the zombies stop the bus. The canoe ride or bus ride are most likely unimportant before those points.
 

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Perfectly normal. Perfectly, absolutely normal.

Writing is the hardest work I've ever done in my life (and yes, I've done some concrete laying before). It's frustrating, it's not good for your head and it does your body no good, either. What you describe above is a normal part of the process.

False starts are normal and necessary. Just keep on going, writing, thinking, trying out different things, changing them around. It'll all come out good in the end, just don't stop now.
 

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I would start at the beginning, where the action starts. You need to have your inciting incident pretty quick, otherwise your readers will get bored of reading background. I'd also keep it in third person, but that's just a personal preference. I suppose you could do it well either way, but I know I would enjoy reading it in third person more.
 

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I'm with you. Things I thought would be so easy, are the hardest for me. Picking names for characters, and writing a good beginning. I blame this site. I thought I wrote excellent beginnings, until I read others.

I enjoy the writing beyond most anything else, but I know I stink at it. Life experience has taught me that you get better by doing. So I'm doing.

I've also noticed that I become a grammatical idiot when writing. Rules I'd know if someone asked me, go out the window when I write.
 

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I'm with you. Things I thought would be so easy, are the hardest for me. Picking names for characters, and writing a good beginning. I blame this site. I thought I wrote excellent beginnings, until I read others.

I enjoy the writing beyond most anything else, but I know I stink at it. Life experience has taught me that you get better by doing. So I'm doing.

I've also noticed that I become a grammatical idiot when writing. Rules I'd know if someone asked me, go out the window when I write.
Beginnings matter, so do character names and grammar. But none of those really matter until you're ready to ship your work out and get someone to pay good money to read it.

That's what rewrites are for. Get the story on paper, then figure out where it really starts, what the character's real names are, and how to tell your story grammatically.
 

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This is why, before setting out on a lengthy project, I have to think it over for a LOOOONNNNG long time else I know it'll either fall flat or go nowhere fast if I start right after I get the idea. I write serials of over a hundred chapters (the one I'm doing now is likely going to go well over 200, *sigh*), so if I just started one the moment the idea entered my head, ugh, I know I'd regret it. And thinking it over for a few weeks or months, even, wouldn't cut it for me. It takes me years to mull over such projects nearly long enough to be confident enough to start them in a decent way.

That's just me and not you. But I do sympathize and know all about being totally confused! :eek:
 

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Take a long walk and ask yourself some basic questions. What's the initial conflict? Where's the point where, as Uncle Jim puts it, a character walks through the stage door and it slams behind them? What's the point where they can't just decide to walk away and have a peanut butter sandwich instead of whatever happens? That's your starting point.
See, I think that's actually part of the problem. I know where the internal conflict is, and a lot of what's going on is sort of a "no going back now" thing. I could start it anywhere and they all seem to be changeing (some characters more so than others). My problem seems to be picking which conflict to focus the most on, which is therefore where I would start. Currently I have one of my MCs starving himself to death to start with. It's interesting enough, and central to a conflict, but possibly not the one I'll end up focusing on (I actually had a different beginning and realized it might work better to start just a little earlier, because that scene wasn't the most central conflict).
I'm generally around the time where they're about to have the door slammed in their face. What I can't decide, and it looks like I might not be able to until I'm through the middle (which might well become the beginning!), is I guess how close to the door on either side my characters are. I think I might be acting too delicate with the balance of things for writing a 1st draft.

I think I've had this idea running around in my head for 6-8 months, depending, and 2 months at more or less the forefront of my planning, since I was working on 3 trying to decide which to work on next before picking this one. I've definitely got some character's stories more worked out than others.
I completely understand needing a sort of incubation period for an idea. I seem to do them in batches. I'll have a few pets, and nurture them all until one takes over and starts stealing food from the others and demanding I take care of it next. Then when it's a good size I'll set it loose and see what my baby can be. Some ideas need more time than others. Maybe I needed to incubate more... *shrugs*

You guys are all awesome.

I've also been thinking of scheduleing my writing so I do it after excersising. Just something that occured to me might help some. That was more a random thing I wanted to try though.
 

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Take a long walk and ask yourself some basic questions. What's the initial conflict? Where's the point where, as Uncle Jim puts it, a character walks through the stage door and it slams behind them? What's the point where they can't just decide to walk away and have a peanut butter sandwich instead of whatever happens? That's your starting point.

There may not be a good starting point for all four of them. Perhaps one gets in a canoe, and he plucks the others out of the river further downstream. Or perhaps they're all on the same bus, but haven't met, when it's invaded by mutant zombie bikers.

Your story begins when the first person gets plucked out of the river, or the zombies stop the bus. The canoe ride or bus ride are most likely unimportant before those points.

People say this a lot on this board. But don't you have to intro your characters? My WIP is about a guy, given special powers of body control on other humans and is put into a situation where he MUST "punish the wicked", or be eventually killed BY the wicked. He has a Belushi type friend that is essential to the story, and a love interest, also essential, at least to one specific scene. Do I not establish his being worthy of the powers bestowed upon him? Do I start with him just getting the power, and no one knowing who the hell he is?
 

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People say this a lot on this board. But don't you have to intro your characters? My WIP is about a guy, given special powers of body control on other humans and is put into a situation where he MUST "punish the wicked", or be eventually killed BY the wicked. He has a Belushi type friend that is essential to the story, and a love interest, also essential, at least to one specific scene. Do I not establish his being worthy of the powers bestowed upon him? Do I start with him just getting the power, and no one knowing who the hell he is?
Maybe a bad example, but...

When you go to a movie, do they start with a long dissertation on who's who, who can do what, who's friends with who?

Or do they dive right into the action, and give you all that information in little bits as you need to know them?

My current WIP opens with a guy waking in a dark room, with his neighbor's hand over his mouth, whispering 'you gotta get out of here, now!' At the end of the first scene, 2000 words later, you have a general idea why he had to clear out in a hurry, but you know relatively little about any of the people involved. However, you've just 'watched' his home get raided by a government agency, you know there are some interesting people involved, and hopefully you're planning to stick around for more information.

I could have started my WIP earlier in the day, when his neighbor and he were chatting over the fence after cutting the grass. You'd know a lot more about them both by the time the raid happened... IF you kept reading a book about two neighbors talking about cutting their grass.
 
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