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I am writing a paranormal romance novel. The characters are human female and male vampire with secondary character of a human male. The female is talented with psychic abillities as well as the vamp. Now I am toying with the idea of the vamp being a PI aka Mick St. John in "Moonlight".

Any advice on the idea?

Any suggestions on how and where to research PI proceedures?

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ps already written five chapters and two latter scenes.
 

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There used to be a series of Writer's Digest books regarding various points of mystery writing, one of which may have covered PI procedures (even though technically you might be writing a paranormal romance). The next time I'm down in my basement, I'll see if I can track down which ones I have, and may be able to get you the title.

Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone that I used to dabble in mysteries... ;)
 

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There used to be a series of Writer's Digest books regarding various points of mystery writing, one of which may have covered PI procedures

Oooh, I have most of these. They're pretty entertaining. Some of the titles I have are: Scene of the Crime, Murder One, Police Procedural, Missing Persons, Body Trauma (very useful for any writing that involves injury), and Cause of Death.

If the vamp PI idea has already been done, what will make yours different?

QFT. Even Moonlight wasn't new, having ripped off the vampire PI thing from "Angel." And PI characters are very popular in Urban Fantasy right now, so he definitely needs more for him than just being a vampire.
 

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It was part of The Howdunit Series...
Private Eyes: a writer's guide to private investigators
by Hal Blythe, Charlie Sweet & John Landreth

Other books I have in the series:

Armed and Dangerous (weapons)
Police Procedural
Deadly Doses (poisons)
Scene of the Crime

So of course, after buying these books, I went into writing science fiction... :)
 

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Moonlight's Mick St. John, was a ripoff of Forever Knight's Nick Knight.

I hope the similarity of the names Mick and Nick won't be lost on you!
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Forever Knight had better writers, director, actors, and even music!

In turn, Forever Knight was similar Lee Killough's cop vampire Gareth Mikaelian, Tanya Huff's Vicky Nelson, and P.N. Elrod's vampire PI Jack Fleming. ALL came out before Forever Knight AND Angel. Charlaine Harris's Sookie Stackhouse came later (but before Moonlight), but is still better done!

Elrod's got a less broody vamp character, but like Angel has a stuffy Brit, a kick-butt African American, and a beautiful girl as supporting characters. She's a fan of Angel and Joss Whedon, so she didn't sue.

She's NOT a fan of Moonlight, to judge by this review
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That it's a wholesale ripoff of Forever Knight, her own stuff, as well as other writers of vampire books was not lost on her.

Her comments are not for the faint of heart! (You have to scroll down, though.)

Most important--check out the comments under it. Those are from the potential readers of your story!

As stated in other posts--what do YOU bring to this theme that is different? Otherwise your work is derived from a badly done derivative TV show.

Also note: it's a TV show. You are writing a book. Different medium. Read the books by the authors above and work to make yours different from theirs.

Every writer has to develop his/her own voice. Your specific voice and style of writing is how you make your version of the "hot vampire detective" your own!

Beware of the Silhouette Nocturne series, as those are notorious cookie-cutter rips from better books. Much of the writing--I check them out in the stores--is not very good. (When a book has me gagging on p. one from bad writing and worse editing, that's a baaad sign.)

Now granted, Moonlight has apparently inspired you, and that's a good thing to get jazzed up on something, but you can and MUST do better!

I read that Elrod got inspired by Dark Shadows and Kolchak--which were a big thing once, but kinda hokey now--but she went past them and expanded on stuff.

Go for it for yourself!

Good luck!
 
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"Dark Shadows", "Forever Knight", "Angel" and "Blood Ties". Funny you mention them because I have seen them all, even the original, b&w, "Dark Shadows". Forever Knight was my fav but now I am beginning to understand the issues the show, FK, raised and with my visions of an actor, I believe this book will be different. A mixture of "True Blood" and "Moonlight".

You hurt me in saying "Moonlight" inspired me. It didn't! But rather Alex O'Loughlin's portraayal of the character Mick St. John that inspired me being all I could see was how the character had been written and described. Yes it helps that Alex is HOT! And, yes, I am in love with him but not quite that way. It is only as an actor that I feel so.

Thamk you for reminding me olf rip-off aqulity.
Alana
 

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I am toying with the idea of the vamp being a PI.

If you feel good about what you're writing,
go for it.
Don't worry about being derivative. Everything is derivative. You can make this your story, even if you start with popular elements.
And nobody can write if they're consciously trying to be original all the time.

That said,
do you need a PI character to take you through the action of your story?
Or do you just need a manly character who could go poking into things and protecting the helpless?

So, what other jobs could he have?

First off ... do you, yourself, possess insider knowledge of some profession?

If you're a teacher, guidance counsellor or social worker ... think about a social worker who stalks the slums, confronting the baddies who're menacing his charges.

If you're a lawyer -- didn't somebody suggest a lawyer above? -- howsabout a lawyer who represents clients, (and gathers info on cases,) being tried before some Vampire Court of Small Claims?

Or ... leesee ....

-- the antiques dealer who specializes in rare, psychically charged objects and books. He'd be out tracking down this and that.

-- the private messenger service that will find and deliver mail to any creature or otherworldly place in Boston. These guys pass everywhere, neutral and safe from attack.

-- the psychic vet, much in demand for treating the pets and familiars of the otherworldly. (You haven't lived till you've given a vampire labrador his distemper shot.)

-- an architect/builder who designs spaces for otherworldly clients, installing protections.


What I'm saying is ...
you have a lot of good choices. All else being equal, you may want to give your character a profession that interests you, in and of itself, or a profession you know something about.
 
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Truthfully, I am handicapped and never found gainful employment. I did try to but nobody would hire me. As for insider knowledge actually have none, but do understand medicine and the related feilds too well, have built in dictionary and thesaurus, real good speller and good at sentence diagramming, and an intuitive mathematician. My skills as a behaviorist and profiler are getting better (no schooling for that),and my writing is improving, also my criminal mind is becoming active again.

Already figured out a profession, actually two, for my female character, one is related to me. She is a writer and poet, the secretary at a law firm, an ambition of mine. Her previous, human, boyfriend was a musician. If you have read anything about Alex O'Loughlin then you know he wrote and published a song which was in the movie "August Rush" and there is my tie-in to the actor but the vamp has to have a profession other than being rich from his human life or inheritance from family either living (him) or dead (him). That would not do for the storyline.

EWWWW! You just gave me a storyline to work with what I have already written. I like this approach better, Thank you mate.

Storyline is she is a reincarnation of a past love he had to protect but now she is starting to remember the past. This past intrudes on the present being she is psychically talented and the perp is nosferatu as is the male she has fallen for.

How about that one?

Alana
 
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