Telling, not showing, for the POV character

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I have realized something lately. Or I think I have. When you "show" rather than "tell" the POV character's emotions, you sometimes take away some of the immediacy of the experience. People are rarely conscious of the fact that they are glaring, or how their face is twitching, or what their body language is revealing. They know what emotions they are feeling, what their "internal" body language is up too ("my stomach churned") and so on. So if I want a close third person POV, I should leave out some of my perfectly good showing because it's too external and show only those external things that the character is conscious of. It might actually be better to tell sometimes. "He was furious" might actually be better than "his face reddened". Of course, "the blood pounded in my ears" might be even better...

Do I see another round of revisions coming? *groan*

Am I onto something here, or delusional from revision fatigue?
 

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Interesting post.

Though, I disagree that "he was furious" is better than "his teeth ground like slow sandpaper, his face went plumb purple, he tremored and quaked in his shoes."

I would use "telling" in first person, but more likely to show the narrator as unreliable than to be truthful.

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I was furious. I fucking hated her. I wished she would fucking die. I loved her so goddamn much.


Or rather than saying "I loved her," maybe show a scene in montage where it was obvious he still loved the other character.
 

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I've got to admit, I get a little annoyed with the whole "show don't tell" hang up we all get so caught up in. Good writing is good writing and if your telling is written well and it's engaging then don't sweat it. Yes, like everything, there's a proper place for telling in your writer's toolbelt.
 

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I reread your post.

Yes, I think anything in writing can work if it achieves its intended effect. If your intention is to stay inside the character, you can say "he was furious."

But you could also say, "he felt his teeth grinding, vibrating his entire head. Heat filled his cheeks blah blah blah."

That's internal, also, not looking in from the outside but visa versa. Could that possibly get across what you're trying to do with the scene?
 

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Interesting post.

Though, I disagree that "he was furious" is better than "his teeth ground like slow sandpaper, his face went plumb purple, he tremored and quaked in his shoes."
If you describe the colour of his face, then you've abandoned a close third viewpoint. He can't see his own face. That's a fair way of describing someone else in the room, but not a good way of the reaction of a character when you want to be in his head.

When we are in our heads, we are more likely to name our emotions than describe them. Naming emotions is something I've been avoiding, but I'm going to have to find a better "internal" way of describing them for POV characters. The external descriptions actually distance us from the character by taking us out of his head.

I am feeling kind of stupid that this particular aspect of the craft of writing had more or less escaped me up to now.
 

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I think that part of being a good writer is knowing when "He was furious" works better than "He ground his teeth and clenched his hands into hot fists" and vice versa.

You can tell sometimes. You don't always have to show. Always showing is just as bad as always telling.
 

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I'm confused. If you're in 3rd limited, you wouldn't be saying "his face reddened" since there's no way the POV character can observe himself doing that. Also, you're right that most people would notice how they feel instead of what goes on in their bodies (except if they're shaking, feeling dizzy, etc.). So it's perfectly okay to say "he was furious" if you're already in the POV.

Now, as for non-POV characters, it's also okay to say "she was furious" if that's what the POV character deduces from her reaction. However, it's just much more vivid if you describe exactly how she acts -- face reddened, veins popping, teeth gritting, fists pumping, etc.

"Show vs. tell" has to be relevant and logical in case of 1st person or 3rd limited. It has to be something the POV character can observe and deduce, or pay attention to. That's why it's a bit difficult to do descriptions if your character is not normally the observant type. But it definitely is not a bad thing if your character wants to just say "I'm angry."
 

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I agree with the responses to this thread so far. Good reasoning. As always, adhering doggedly to rules that aren't really rules but tendencies found in better writing turns good ideas to slavish traps.
 

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Nothing irritates me more than to hear that term, "show versus tell." Why not tell? You are "telling" a story, why does it have to be all show?

It is the one thing that just gets my goat every time. I am totally blind to it most of the time and until someone else points it out, I don't even know telling versus showing is there in my writing. I can see it in other people's work, but not my own. Every time I pick up a new book to read, I see it all over the place, so why is it we can't use it? I know, it's because we are unpublished yet and haven't won the publishing lotto, where all the rules are thrown out the window.

I also don't always think showing is better than telling.

I'm done.

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"Show, don't tell" without further qualification is such a misleading statement. The best place to learn about show and tell is in the books you read. Don't just read them, analyse them. Study them. How do published authors (let's assume some degree of quality) handle show and tell, particularly in your chosen genre?

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Nothing irritates me more than to hear that term, "show versus tell." Why not tell? You are "telling" a story, why does it have to be all show?

Telling and showing are both valuable techniques. They do different things. Using telling for a task best accomplished by showing weakens a story; using showing for a task best accomplished by telling does the same.

We have other terms for the flaws of inappropriate showing, so we rarely use the word showing when we talk about them. Instead, we say it's wordy or nothing is really happening. Unfortunately, when telling is used inappropriately, we're often pointing at what isn't there, so all we have to call it is telling.

"Show, don't tell" is shorthand; it shouldn't be taken literally.
 

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May the rule should be: show the interesting stuff, tell the boring stuff that we don't need the details of

By which I mean:

You show the blazing row between two characters - they grind their teeth, shout, scream, go red in the face and think 'By god, if only I could get away with ripping his ears off, rolling them up tight and shoving them up his nose, I could die a happy man'

You tell the boring stuff: You don't need a blow by blow account of how one character took the other to hospital. 'Guilt's a real bummer, especially when you deserve it, so I sat 5 hours in A&E with him before he managed to get his ears sewn back on'
 

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I've got to admit, I get a little annoyed with the whole "show don't tell" hang up we all get so caught up in. Good writing is good writing and if your telling is written well and it's engaging then don't sweat it. Yes, like everything, there's a proper place for telling in your writer's toolbelt.

I agree. There are a lot of instances where you should show if you can, where it enriches the reading experience. But if you need to tell, tell!
 

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May the rule should be: show the interesting stuff, tell the boring stuff that we don't need the details of

By which I mean:

You show the blazing row between two characters - they grind their teeth, shout, scream, go red in the face and think 'By god, if only I could get away with ripping his ears off, rolling them up tight and shoving them up his nose, I could die a happy man'

You tell the boring stuff: You don't need a blow by blow account of how one character took the other to hospital. 'Guilt's a real bummer, especially when you deserve it, so I sat 5 hours in A&E with him before he managed to get his ears sewn back on'
If you have boring stuff, don't tell it, cut it.

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Hmm well, sometimes you need a transition, or to tell something that happened without showing it. Or when you start the next scene with MC coming out of teh hospital the reader's gonna think 'How in the chuff did he get there? He was in a log cabin miles from anywhere in the last sentence!'
 

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Hmm well, sometimes you need a transition
Absolutely. And look how easy it is to elaborate on one of those cases where tell can be useful. Transition between scenes.

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I would use "telling" in first person, but more likely to show the narrator as unreliable than to be truthful.

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I was furious. I fucking hated her. I wished she would fucking die. I loved her so goddamn much.

I don't see that as "telling", exactly. I agree with the folks who said that "showing versus telling" doesn't express the idea well. For me, the distinction is: Are you reporting events the way they occurred during that story moment? Or are you summarizing events, as from some later perspective?

The OP's "He was furious," all by itself, seems like a summary. But your four sentences seem to me to be reporting what the POV character was actually thinking in that moment.

By the way, showing the POV character's in-the-moment emotion-laden thoughts is a good way to show emotion, even if you never mention the emotion directly.

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For me, the distinction is: Are you reporting events the way they occurred during that story moment? Or are you summarizing events, as from some later perspective?
Dale, I think you've captured one of the two ways that the term 'showing' tends to be used, and it refers to action that takes place in front of the reader rather than off-stage.

The other way that 'showing' is used is the more traditional show/tell discussion in which showing is about presenting information to the readers in a manner that enables them to draw conclusions themselves.

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I understand the "show vs. tell" philosophy but, when adhered too over-zealously or obsessed upon, it can cripple one's writing. In general, showing works better than telling; it engages the reader and encourages him to invest in the description or imagery, creating a richer experience. But most writers who learn from reading well-crafted material will gravitate toward this naturally.
I think a better rule than "show vs. tell" would be: choose the best words to accomplish the goal, and revise the hell out of it until you don't think it can sound any better.
 

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Dale, I think you've captured one of the two ways that the term 'showing' tends to be used, and it refers to action that takes place in front of the reader rather than off-stage.

That wasn't what I intended, though I see how my choice of words ("as from some later perspective") confuzzled my intent.

My primary idea here is that telling (as I understand the way most people use the term) seems to me to be about summarizing events.

My secondary point (which may have confused things) is that we don't usually summarize key events in the moment as they're happening. So a summary that appears in the text will seem (subtly or blatantly) to be a product of some reflection, not a report of in-the-moment events or thoughts. And that's true even if the summary summarizes stuff that is happening in front of the reader.

So what I meant to say is closer to this:
The other way that 'showing' is used is the more traditional show/tell discussion in which showing is about presenting information to the readers in a manner that enables them to draw conclusions themselves.

That is: Report the events (external or internal) rather than a summary of the events.

Of course, "telling" is also useful to quickly describe off-screen events. But that's not what I was trying to express.

Is that clearer, or have I muddied it even more? ;-)

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I think a better rule than "show vs. tell" would be: choose the best words to accomplish the goal, and revise the hell out of it until you don't think it can sound any better.

Yeah, this fits the way I think of all writing rules: What effects does each choice create in the reader? And which effects do I want to create?

So: What are some of the effects of "showing" on the reader? What are the effects of "telling"? In what circumstances might you want each of those effects?

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Caution: Long post ahead

The big mistake people make with the "show, don't tell" advice is to think that it refers to description. It doesn't, not exactly. I actually wish we could slaughter the whole phrase and eliminate it from our writing vocabulary, because it isn't explained properly often enough or in enough places, and it results in huge mistakes for new writers.

"Show, don't tell" is really more about pacing. Level of detail in narrative. It's the difference between a synopsis and a novel. And you don't have to follow the advice universally, either!

It's like this. Say you have a big scene where your protagonist (let's call him Joe) faces down a robber.

Telling:
Joe unholstered his gun and went up to his apartment. The thief was inside. He jumped at Joe with a knife, and Joe shot the man in the stomach.

Showing:
When Joe got to the second landing, he could see over the rail above that his apartment door was open. There were sounds coming from inside. He unholstered his revolver and crept up the stairs.

His heart was pounding so hard when he got to the door that he thought it would bust his eardrums. He leaned back against the wall next to the doorway, took a deep breath, and whipped in front of the door, pistol at ready.

There was nobody in the living room beyond, but the floor was a mess. Papers and books were strewn everywhere, and he stifled a groan when he saw his television lying face down on the hardwood floor. The sounds of rummaging and flying objects were coming from the bedroom to the right. Joe stepped over his scattered possessions gingerly. When he got to the mostly-closed door, he hesitated for just a moment before lifting his leg to kick it open.

The door banged into the wall with a crack, and a startled yelp came from inside. A man in a tan jacket was crouched by his bed, his arms digging underneath it. He pushed himself to his feet, and Joe was startled by the thief's appearance. He looked like a businessman gone without a razor or a bath for half a week. He barely had time to register the man's appearance before the thief leaped toward him, a switchblade glimmering in his hand.

Joe fired, and the man staggered backward, clutching his stomach with surprise.

Okay, not the next great thriller, but you get the idea. The point is not the description. The point is that there is detail, that there is a slow enough pace to allow suspense and interest, and to ground to the reader in the world of the story. The description aids in this. So does the POV character's thoughts and feelings. There's nothing wrong with saying outright "Joe was startled..." as part of the narrative. You don't want to overburden the reader with cold description, because frankly, it's boring as hell.

There's also nothing wrong with using a little telling to breeze through parts of the story where there's no tension, little of interest to hook the reader. Let's say Joe stopped by the store to grab a pack of cigarettes before heading home to his apartment. Nothing unusual happens at the store, it's not an important part of the plot, you just want to illustrate the fact that he's a smoker. In that case, it's perfectly all right to say:

On the way home, Joe stopped by the drugstore and laid down a ten for a pack of Camel Lights.

That's all you need for the scene. What are you doing here? You're telling. And it's okay. It's not a crime. You don't have to show every little detail--you just want to show the good stuff. The stuff that advances the plot, or is an important and interesting part of revealing character or setting.

Another issue you're bringing up in your post is the issue of POV. How deep do you go into your character's head? I certainly wouldn't want to make my POV character's "lips curl up into a mischievous smile, dimpling his cheeks". I'd probably favor something like "he affected his most wicked grin". You want to be in your character's head, so external description is a big no-no unless they're looking in a mirror (which is cheesy and over-used for other reasons, by the way).
 
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Had an uncanny experience just after I commented above. I started reading the last few pages of Patrick Rothfuss's The Name of the Wind (an excellent novel, by the way) and--now this is spooky--on page 716 one of the characters describes the difference between telling and showing (in the context of making a person believe something about herself). The following is from the novel:

If you tell...sometimes that's enough...But there's a better way. You show [and] suddenly the story she tells herself in her own head changes. She transforms.


How cool is that? An interesting interpretation and a very eerie coincidence that I had to share.
 

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I think it's a question of show vs tell vs internal monologue.

Tell
He was furious.

Show
His teeth ground like slow sandpaper, his face went plumb purple, he tremored and quaked in his shoes.

Internal monologue
He felt like strangling her with his own hands. How could she do that to him? He loved her, he had taken care of her, he had sacrificed everything for her.

Internal monologue wins, in my opinion. It's not exactly showing, but it's not telling either--the word 'furious' doesn't appear anywhere.
 

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Another issue you're bringing up in your post is the issue of POV. How deep do you go into your character's head? I certainly wouldn't want to make my POV character's "lips curl up into a mischievous smile, dimpling his cheeks". I'd probably favor something like "he affected his most wicked grin". You want to be in your character's head, so external description is a big no-no unless they're looking in a mirror (which is cheesy and over-used for other reasons, by the way).

unless you are using omniscient.
 
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