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Shouldn't a publisher be partly responsible for things it sells that are fraudulent, despite another person wrote the content?

I'm wondering where do you draw the line, for example, one description from a PA book:

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]"In a pioneering feat of mathematical brilliance, Mark Cater unleashes The Black Dice, the landmark book revealing how bettors can invert the odds at craps and giving players a definite advantage over the house. Gamblers worldwide are quickly realizing the sound applications of the Iron Cross and the Black Dice as indispensable tools, for the novice and the experienced bettor. Remarkable for its unique discoveries, you will learn to crush the odds at craps, enabling you to win again and again.[/FONT]"

Hmm, now an educated man would be wondering, if this author is legit, shouldn't he be rolling for 100K shots over at the Bellagio and making a billion dollars a year profit? Why would he have to self-publish to try and make a few bucks, never mind giving away his secret.

However, that's besides the point. I'm curious, doesn't someone at PA read this nonsense (even if not reading the script) and think... you know, this is false advertising.

Yes, there will always be crack-pots in the world, but shouldn't some organizations have some sort of respect/censorship/professionalism/etc?

Common sense tells you there is no way around craps, obviously casinos wouldn't be still making a fortune off it.
 

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I don't think he's been banned from the casinos, if the blog I found was his. I'm not linking to it because it would be wrong, IMO. If you find it, perhaps you'll understand why. I actually kinda feel sorry for the guy.
 
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Ahh, I did a search and came across it. Seems he even made a utube video where he promotes his book, and shows where to order it on Amazon ahah! I guess you can't pick it up off a store shelf!

His video apparently doesn't show you HOW it works, he tells you that you NEED to purchase his book for that. Instead he goes through some ahem... EXAMPLES of his betting system in progress.

Anyhow, I notice he mentions how his book was in the top #5 sellers in Cananda. The proof of this? He has a screen shot from Amazon.ca where his book was listed in 5'th position under the topic search of "Craps". Ahah! Though right now it's fallen, and I suspect he may have taken that screen shot just after getting a bunch of relatives to put in orders for HIS masterpiece. Hell, even Scobblet who is a known craps crack-pot has a book rated higher than his right now.
 

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Oh wow. In curiosity about this post, I searched YouTube... bad idea. Found 16 videos by PAvidians touting their various books. And below that, quite a few YouTubers against America for a variety of generalizations, which I also found disturbing, but I digress...

This PA on YouTube thing--from the videos I watched, it is pretty easily observable that these are people marginalized in one way or another. It is truly sad that their "traditional publisher's" business model isn't going to help them where this, or their money, is concerned.

Some of the videos could really use someone with a little more experience in getting video right. Luckily, it seems only Mark Cater's video has a decent number of hits. The rest are floating below the 300 views range.
 

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Hmm I did a bit of searching during the night. Seems his system is just betting on the Field, and 5-6-8 in order to cause only a 7 to induce a loss. I don't see how he can rightfully claim such a simple betting structure is rightfully HIS system! Surely someone has done this before, in fact, thousands.

What I find amusing, is I honestly think he is so brainwashed by his own flawed advice. He claims it's guaranteed to win due to some miracle of inverting the dice odds which favour the house, to favouring YOU! LOL!

There is some sense to this nonsense. His system makes 30 outcomes of the 36 favourable to the roller. This leaves 6 (6 ways to make a 7) as the only possibilities you will lose.

Okayyyyyyyy!!! That is true enough, but this is where he stops getting mathematical, which is a shame. Because delving deeper here, one would easily spot that despite you are making 30 outcomes favourable to you, the penalty you pay for the other 6 outcomes is so hefty that in fact you lose far more $ than you make. In fact, you would lose LESS money playing any standard conventional way.

Hmmm, but that's not all that raised my eyebrows. If you take a look at his video, he bets 5 in the point line, but he is using BIG 6/8 for the other two numbers. I can not make any sense of this.

Big 6/8 is one of the big SUCKER BETS out there. Why would you take this bet when you are only paid even money, when you could easily bet 6/8 next to the five on the point line, and get paid MORE than even money?

Hello McFly!!

And I noticed only one other person in the whole u-tube comment section pointed out this insanity.


The fact that publishers can release such rubbish, not to mention people fall for these shams, makes me feel like writing my own craps book and sending it to PA. In fact, I think I will really try it. I"ll call it, "How to lose at Craps and leave the Casino Broke." I'll then reference other books..... like say the PA book and go through chapters explaining how flawed the whole thing is.

Now I wonder... would PA actually publish that??

I'd like to e-mail the original author on some things, but I am sure he is too busy off driving his expensive red Porsche or Ferrari from all that money he is making.
 

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I like playing craps at the casinos and I observe how other players place their bets and try to follow the more successful ones. But the one thing you just can't escape from, no matter how big a craps expert you think you are, if the shooter rolls a 7 it's game over. You just can't control a dice throw.

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"Non-fiction" is a marketing category, not a solemn promise by the publisher that every word is true. Note that Immanuel Velikovsky's books were sold as "non-fiction."

This fellow could rack up some serious sales by convincing a major casino to buy his book by the case and give it away, free, to everyone who comes in.
 

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Isn't that what they did to "A Million Little Pieces"--give it away to rehabs? *snerk*
 

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Hmm, what else is funny, is if you go to the PA bookstore, right next to that book is another scandulous one regarding some crazy superstitious belief method on how to win at blackjack. I won't post all the BS but here is a small excerpt:

Well, now you can combat with your own measures! The 11th Hand: A 21 Step Guide to Winning BlackJack! will enable you to employ what I call “Behavioral and Conditioning Strategies” from the time you decide to visit the casino, to the moment that you actually place a bet, and on to the time that you make that crucial decision to leave the casino a winner. These simple strategies are not mathematical or statistically based and will allow you to discover and capitalize on the many patterns that emerge during blackjack play.

Hmm, at least he just admitted that this is not mathematical or statistically based. In other words, he is saying ahead of time it's a bullsh!t pitch. But I suppose he'll still find someone willing to follow his religion based on FAITH.
 

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The fact that publishers can release such rubbish, not to mention people fall for these shams, makes me feel like writing my own craps book and sending it to PA. In fact, I think I will really try it.


Surely, you are only joking around! Judging by your previous comments regarding your opinion of PA, I am assuming you aren't serious. (Hopefully.)
 

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Just say hi to Travis Tea at the next author convention. He'll be by the fire alarm.