Basic Poetry Questions

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As per the thread title, I have a couple basic poetry questions.

1. My writing professor once said, "The more the poem is about the thing, and focuses on the thing, the better the poem will be." What did she really mean by "the thing?" And is she correct?

2. Poetry is more about language than any other medium. True or false? And what parts of "language" does poetry address? Words? Definitons? Meaning?

3. What makes a poem a poem and not some other form of communication or language?

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Sheakspeer:

I'll take a stab at answering your questions.

1. I have no idea what your writing professor was talking about, and so cannot assess whether she was correct or not. But, if "the thing" is as opposed to "I, the poet", speaking through a narrator in the poem, I would have to say yes, the less you focus on yourself and the more you focus on something else (a thing, an image, an event, etc), the better the poem will be. Confessional poetry is the most over-done, IMHO.

2. Whether it's more about language than other media, I cannot assess either. But poetry is about compressed and heightened language. A poem should say in 5 words what prose says in 15 or 20, and should do it with words that entertain moreso than prose. It does this, not by simply leaving out words, but by the most careful selections of the words used to tell the most with the least. Metaphor and related devices helps to achieve this. I have heard fiction described as "life with the boring parts left out." If that's even close to true, then perhaps poetry is "prose with the boring parts left out."

3. Others may disagree with me on this, for I take a very simple approach. For me, only two things are essential for a poem to be a poem and not prose: 1) a poem is broken into lines at the choice of the poet, not the printer; stated another way, the line is the fundamental element of the poem; and 2) some type of pacing (e.g. cadance, rhythm, meter) must be present to facilitate recitation (performance) and memorization. This latter item is perhaps diminishing as cheap printing causes poets to make more use of white space and turn poetry into more of a visual art than an aural art. All other things typically associated with a poem--compressed language, elevated language, imagery, metaphor, sonic devices (rhyme, internal rhyme, consonance, asonance, etc), and other word play, etc.--are what differentiates between bad poems and good poems and great poems.

My two bits. Gather a few of 'em and head to Starbucks.

Best Regards,
NDG
P.S. Moderators: This would probably be better in Poetry Discussions.
 

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OK, Here I am bumping this thread after half of a month. Thank you very much for your reply Norman, it helped tremendously.

I have a simple follow up question. Could you reference me to two or three poems that focus on an image? I've been having a little bit of trouble comprehending what this might be about . . . I have a good idea, but was wondering if you had a good example. The best one I've read recently is "The Moon is but a chin of Gold" by Emily Dickinson, but then again, I haven't been reading much poetry recently. So if anyone has a good "image" poem, please post the title and author here. Thanks again in advance.
 

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Hi Shakespeer,

Great question! I'll be very interested to see what other people contribute.
I thought I'd step up to get the thread started. Here are a few that I always thought had vivid imagery. Of course, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean.

Fog by Carl Sandburg
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=174299

Grass by Carl Sanburg
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=174301

Mother To Son by Langston Hughes
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=177021

Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening by Robert Frost
http://http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=171621

I hope you like them!