The Economy and Novels

Status
Not open for further replies.

Makai_Lightning

Love Addict
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 3, 2008
Messages
538
Reaction score
51
So in my musing, and watching the economy crash, it occured to me that our own market here would suffer as well. Everyone's effected, right?

And I was also thinking, the first things that get cut from people's "buy" lists when shorter on money are luxury items, and a novel is hardly something people can't live without (literally, in any case). So. It then occured to me that with economic slowdowns everywhere, and with books being a more expendable cause, the book market will take more of a decline, novels will be harder to sell (to both the people and the publisher).

So I was just wondering what other people's thoughts on this were. I was nearing the point where I would start shipping out my novel to try to publish, but there's no use it marketing to a dying market if it means that even if they do pick it up my possible success is greatly weakened (especially considering how possible first sales would influence the selling of any future projects). I'd think more on it and finish polishing, write the query, and move onto my next project in either case, but it was something I had started to think about. Any thoughts?
 

mscelina

Teh doommobile, drivin' rite by you
Requiescat In Pace
Registered
Joined
Jan 18, 2007
Messages
20,006
Reaction score
5,353
Location
Going shopping with Soccer Mom and Bubastes for fu
I'd like to know where you got the idea that the publishing industry/book market is in decline.

Unless we have a couple of big houses fail (and they won't) I'd think this is a non-issue.
 

Makai_Lightning

Love Addict
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 3, 2008
Messages
538
Reaction score
51
I just meant that with the economy dying (the recession and then the bank failure, people loosing their jobs and homes), people will be less willing to spend on things they don't need. I didn't mean it as necessary fact, but if the whole of the economy is falling, everything is affected somewhere.
 

Fillanzea

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 13, 2005
Messages
241
Reaction score
44
Location
Brooklyn, NY
A mass market paperback novel's cheaper than a movie ticket, cheaper than a month of cable or internet service, cheaper than a T-shirt, as cheap as a lunch at McDonald's, cheaper than some museum admissions... heck, you can buy seven new paperbacks for the price of an X-Box game.

If you want to read, you'll read. Even if you don't have two dimes to rub together you can go to the public library (although the public library is facing its own budget setbacks...)

I don't have any evidence one way or the other, but I'm not worried.
 

Aschenbach

Moral Marjorie
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Sep 13, 2008
Messages
545
Reaction score
60
Location
Sunnydale
I Agree with Fillanzea.

Reading is one of the cheapest leisure activities around, so I don't think book sales will really slump. People won't go out to eat or to the theatre or the movies. But they have to do something and that will be stay-at-home things like reading, dvd rentals, computer games, knitting, procreating, scrabble, weaving quilts, growing vegetables etc.

As writers we have the cheapest hobby of all. Even if we couldn't afford a PC or even paper and pens, all we need is a patch of dirt and a twig and we can still write :D
 

windyrdg

New kid, be gentle!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 17, 2006
Messages
526
Reaction score
89
Location
So Oregon Coast looking at the ocean
Website
capearagopress.com
I agree that novels in any form represent a good value for the money. Book sales are down, like everything else. I think it's going to be felt most by the debut author and the midlist author. The big houses will focus on the sure things, King, Patterson, Griosham, et al. The new projects will be scrutinized harder than they otherwise might have been. The midlist author suffers because they lack the same name recognition as the heavy hitters.

Is this anything we can do about it? Not that I see. Either or books will get published, or they won't. So what's new?
 

Nicholas T

Registered
Joined
Sep 17, 2008
Messages
35
Reaction score
3
Location
Alberta, Canada
Website
www.nicholastam.ca
Books compete with movies, TV, and video games for time, not money. It's true that they are pretty cheap as far as entertainment goes. But it's not the price of books that's at issue here. My very rudimentary understanding of economics tells me that people are going to be less likely to put anything on their credit cards. Publishers have to anticipate the effect on the market ahead of time before they set their publishing timetables, determine their print runs, and scale their royalty advances. Right now, the effect isn't looking good for anybody.

We inveterate readers who always buy books will keep on buying books, but that doesn't account for the real problem: that publishers will act more conservatively. They will trim their expenses and push fewer books onto shelves. Meanwhile, the casual book-buyers who plop a spare $10 down at the airport and leave the books on the plane for the next person to read are going to be watching their pocketbooks a little more carefully.
 

Exir

Out of the cradle endlessly rocking
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Messages
1,758
Reaction score
174
Location
SoCal (Rancho Cucamonga)
I think worrying about the economy and how it affects publishing is a futile excercise. I mean, what can you do about it? Nothing.
 

Danthia

One thing to remember, is that books sold today won't be published for 12-18 months. You have no way of knowing what the economy will be like then.

I could see publishers becoming pickier about what they buy for a while. Maybe not take as many chances. But it's impossible to determine if you'd fit into a risk category or not, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

The only thing you can control is how good your book is. The better your book, the better chance you have at publication. Same as any other day really ;)
 

Diana W.

I'm evolving
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 17, 2008
Messages
11,981
Reaction score
4,152
Location
Freehold, New Jersey
A mass market paperback novel's cheaper than a movie ticket, cheaper than a month of cable or internet service, cheaper than a T-shirt, as cheap as a lunch at McDonald's, cheaper than some museum admissions... heck, you can buy seven new paperbacks for the price of an X-Box game.

If you want to read, you'll read. Even if you don't have two dimes to rub together you can go to the public library (although the public library is facing its own budget setbacks...)

I don't have any evidence one way or the other, but I'm not worried.


Add to that the fact that for the price you get a lot of value for your money. A movie may take 90 minutes to an hour to watch but a book can take a day, days or weeks to read depending on its size and how fast you read. Excellent value for money!
 

Deccydiva

Back from the dead
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 22, 2008
Messages
2,197
Reaction score
222
Location
Ireland
You can read a book again and again too, over a period of time. I can buy a good paperback novel (eg top 20 bestsellers in bookstores) every week for less than the cost of buying a daily newspaper.
 

Appalachian Writer

Somewhere in the hills....
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 11, 2006
Messages
1,274
Reaction score
1,210
Location
by a mountain stream
Just a few novels published in 1930, the first full year of the Great Depression and a year or so into that terrible time:
/As I Lay Dying
/Absalom! Absalom!
Light in August
Murder at the Vicarage
The Maltese Falcon
The Good Earth
East Wind, West Wind
A Bed of Feathers
Narcissus and Goldmund
Tender is the Night
Sound and Fury (published 7 October 1929, twenty days before the stock market crashed.
There's a lot more. I wouldn't worry.
 

scribbler1382

Write For You, Edit For The Reader
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
1,429
Reaction score
161
Location
Toronto
Website
www.soderstrom.ca
If writers listened everytime someone said "the book market is in decline" bookstores would have gone out of vogue around 1928. A story well told will always find a market. Novels (and movies, tv, etc.) are escapism. As Jim said, hard times tend to be good for escapist endeavors. But strangely enough, so are good times. :)
 

CheshireCat

Mostly purring. Mostly.
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 27, 2007
Messages
1,842
Reaction score
661
Location
Mostly inside my own head.
If writers listened everytime someone said "the book market is in decline" bookstores would have gone out of vogue around 1928. A story well told will always find a market. Novels (and movies, tv, etc.) are escapism. As Jim said, hard times tend to be good for escapist endeavors. But strangely enough, so are good times. :)

Quoted for truth.
 

Carmy

Banned
Joined
Dec 8, 2005
Messages
1,654
Reaction score
119
Novels are very cheap entertainment. Historically, in hard times, novels take off.

That's good to hear.

Even in hard times, perhaps more so in hard times, libraries are still around. They purchase books and, in some countries, pay the author a percentage when books are borrowed.

Having said that--I think it depends on the publishing company. I know of one publisher having such a hard time paying royalties that they've cut back on publishing the books on hand.
 

Smiling Ted

Ah-HA!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 3, 2007
Messages
2,462
Reaction score
420
Location
The Great Wide Open
I think the one hit that book sales will take will be in the expensive hardcover area - gift books, coffee table books, hardcover political tomes that people buy to demonstrate their party bona fides.

I believe that books people read for pleasure - especially genre books - will weather the storm.
 

scope

Commonsensical Maverick
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 30, 2008
Messages
2,763
Reaction score
251
Location
New York
I read where publishers and others in the industry said that in spite of the recession book sales have remained stable thus far. Frankly, I don't believe them. First lets see the tally of book sales through 2009.

I've also read where the American Library Association said that during recession years borrowing of library books raises something like 500% -- surely that's telling me something.

Independent book stores are closing at a record pace, and even the sales of some book mega-chains are way down.

Most every week I read where some publishing house has had to lay off workers.

I also read that some planned take over deals have been canceled due to the world wide economic crisis. And I imagine there are a whole lot of other things going on we know nothing about.

So I do believe that the economic situation has definitely put a damper on our industry. Not that new writers won't get picked up by agents and publishers, not that books will stop selling, not that publishers won't buy books from agents and/or writers -- all this will continue to go on, but IMO not as vigorously as before. But writing is what I do for a living, and has been for 30 years (I also love it to death). I've been through this before but was lucky enough to not have it interfere with sales of my new and already published works. So, I'll continue to do what I do and hope for the best. I hope everyone else can and will do the same thing. But I think it naive to think that the publishing industry will be exempt from the economic crisis.
 

OremLK

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
86
Reaction score
8
Strangely, the entertainment industry does pretty well in times of recession. And as has been pointed out multiple times in the thread, books (at least mass market paperbacks) are a pretty inexpensive way to be entertained.
 

scribbler1382

Write For You, Edit For The Reader
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
1,429
Reaction score
161
Location
Toronto
Website
www.soderstrom.ca
Independent book stores have been getting whacked for years. Long before the current economic climate. Big block stores are taking a hit on their floor stock due to online sales. None of it translates into bad times for writers. Books sold are books sold. We may not like the culture shift of the venue, but that's another issue.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.