The Line Between Minimalism and Bad Writing

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(I know this could be a hot subject, so read with care...:) )

I recently began studying someone much beloved by my professors, and also someone who seems greatly hailed here: Raymond Carver. But I kind of have to admit....I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Perhaps his subject matter is interesting and revolutionary and detailed. I've read "The Errand" and found it much better written than his short story/ies, the unedited and edited versions of "A Small, Good Thing"/"The Bath".

All in all, especially in the 20-page original before Lish got a hold of it, I find his writing style painfully simplistic, and in "The Bath" Lish's addition of the continuous "he said" "she said" dialogue tags so jarring and excessive that I don't even want to continue with the story. I know the fact that Lish cut so much of his stories is also quite bit of a contraversy (and no matter how much the dialogue tags annoyed me, good for him).

So, anyway, I'm waiting for someone to change my mind...what am I missing? Did I read the wrong stories? If I wrote something like this, the details be damned, they wouldn't let me graduate with my Creative Writing degree. What's the difference between minimalism and bad writing?
 

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For me, Carver's impact partly comes from the details he chooses to use. It's not like he never uses adverbs or adjectives. He rarely paints a complete picture, but he gives enough to point the reader in the right direction.

His impact also comes from his observation of character and maybe even, dare I say, the "human condition." I very much doubt this can be taught. For me, this is where the emotions of his best pieces seem to come from.

I highly recommend writing a short Carver-esque piece. Then go back and look at Carver. He makes it look easy, doesn't he? That's why he was so good.
 

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I thought the point of the short story was to limit the unnecessary details. I couldn't tell you how often the stories in my workshop classes would be stuffed with details that didn't affect the story at all, especially when it came to character descriptions. If the details aren't going to help advance the story I'd prefer them to be completely absent. It helps you get right into the real heart of the story.
So as for the line between Minimalism and poor writing, I'd say it's a much fatter line than the one between Bad Writing and excess, which I see far more often.

"Eschew surplusage"
 

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I was thinking a similar thing when reading Flannery O'Connor's 'A Good Man is Hard to Find' a few days ago. The language was really simple and really simply used, almost enough that I found it hard to read, but the story and characters were enough to keep you reading.
 

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You should read Albert Camus' "The Stranger." Talk about really bleak prose. But the details he incorporates within are amazing.
 
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