Paranormal v Superhero

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ELMontague

This is probably not original thought, however, aren't paranormal romances just superhero stories with a little rougher edge. I mean, you have what would otherwise be normal folks who are granted superhuman abilities. These extra-talented beings side up good and bad. The rest of us go weak in the knees for them.

Maybe I over simplify.
 

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With that perspective, a vampire is just a super villain.

Super hero stories have a very specific tone to them, one that invites you to suspend your disbelief instantly, and to enjoy a romp through the impossible.

Paranormal stories ease you into the strangeness, asking that you accept it.
 

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This is probably not original thought, however, aren't paranormal romances just superhero stories with a little rougher edge. These extra-talented beings side up good and bad. The rest of us go weak in the knees for them.

Well, what about the mutants in X-Men? How about Spider-Man or The Punisher? Is Rorschach good or bad? What about Batman and Robin? Iron Man?

A super-hero isn't necessarily a being with paranormal powers. Nor is a super-hero necessarily a 'good guy' in any sense of the word. Just look at Watchmen, or Batman: Year One. Or Spider-Man. Or The Punisher. Especially The Punisher. The only super-hero -as far as I can tell, anyway- with a purely white vest and a pure do-good attitude is Superman. But juxtaposing him with the sheer amount of heroes, and the direction the genre took after Watchmen was published, the super-hero isn't all that shiny, and has rough edges. And isn't necessarily a force for good nor for evil (exemplified, perhaps, in Spider-Man's Venom, a former villain. Or Catwoman, a former villain, too).

Of course, if you only look at the Golden Age of Comics, then you can easily come to the conclusion you did. But looking at the age Watchmen brought upon us and the super-hero, this isn't all that true anymore. It probably isn't true since Spider-Man made his debut, and gave us the famous line "With great power comes great responsibility", and we get to see a teenager and his struggles with growing up (with Peter Parker becoming Spider-Man an allegory to the process all teenagers have to struggle with, I guess). Superman, more likely than not, would sink today if he were conceived.

The X-Men are mutants. Maybe the next step in human evolution. Who knows? Some of their abilities, however, straddle the line into the paranormal (telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis etc.).

Compare that to werewolves, vampires or the fae. Creatures with intrinsic abilities from the beginning as, for want of a better term, racial abilities that are inherent to *all* specimens. All werewolves can change shape. All fae use glamour, all vampires are undead. They all have their weeknesses and strengths. But does that make them rougher around the edges? Not necessarily. How many vampires, in literature or other media, have any depth? Take a look at the Balde movie franchise: Vampires are cannon fodder, with few (if any) development of character that could make the viewer sympathize with them. On the other hand, neither does Blade. So there you go. ;)

Or werewolves: More often than not described as animals with a thin veneer of humanity laying over primal instincts. Does that give them automatically depth? Is there an inherent struggle? No. The potential, of course, is there.

In a nutshell: Paranormal beings are. Super-heroes become.

Maybe I over simplify.
Almost certainly. Paranormal creatures have a deep rooting in myth, folklore and the occult. Not so much super-heroes. At least, not the believable super-heroes like Batman or Spider-Man. Heck, not even Super-Man in his various incarantions. That being said, there certainly are areas of overlap. in abilities. However, super-heroes are, most of the time, unique in themselves, where as paranormal creatures aren't necessarily.

It might be a good idea for you, if you haven't already, to read Watchmen by Allan Moore. It takes the super-hero, and takes the cliches apart. Very much worth your while, I promise. :)
 

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This is probably not original thought, however, aren't paranormal romances just superhero stories with a little rougher edge.
Superhero stories are inherently romantic - but in the small 'r' sense: motives are idealised and emotions are exaggerated. But they're not normally 'Big R' Romance stories in that the stakes are not normally love, trust, lust and fidelity but more duty, justice, good and evil. Love stories are not unknown in a superhero tale - but the love is typically a distraction from the plot or an obstacle to resolution rather than the plot itself.

Superhero tales are fantasies, and so are paranormal tales, but not all fantasies are paranormal. A paranormal story deals with unusual events in a normal world; a fantasy story can also deal with exotic worlds where things don't work as they do here. Superhero stories embrace both - and even deal with exceptional people in a completely ordinary world.

(Perhaps the issue is simply that paranormal romance and romantic urban fantasies have gotten so ubiquitous that nobody can remember what non-Romantic fantasy looks like :tongue)
 
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Actually, yes, they are just superhero stories. I refer to the Silver Age Marvel where the heroes all had problems and jobs and they strived to make them HUMAN.

Heck, my Urban Fantasy is based very very loosely on Doctor Strange, the Master of the Mystic Arts. He was Urban Fantasy long before there was such a thing. Heck, I guess, technically you could go all the way back to the radio dramas of Chandu the Magician and The Shadow. There was supernatural yet superhero like adventures.

I guess what I"m saying is, I'm not adverse to calling UF and paranormal fiction an offshoot of superheroism.
 

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I guess what I"m saying is, I'm not adverse to calling UF and paranormal fiction an offshoot of superheroism.
Actually, I'd put it the other way around: superheros are an offshoot of the paranormal.

We had Doctor Savage before we had Superman, and before that we had Dracula. Not to mention fairy tales (not the Disney-fied versions, mind you), which dealt with the paranormal or fantastic or the occult, long before the superhero really came up in Superman. However, that is mostly arguing semantics. :)
 

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Actually, I'd put it the other way around: superheros are an offshoot of the paranormal.

We had Doctor Savage before we had Superman, and before that we had Dracula. Not to mention fairy tales (not the Disney-fied versions, mind you), which dealt with the paranormal or fantastic or the occult, long before the superhero really came up in Superman. However, that is mostly arguing semantics. :)
And The Shadow before Doc Savage. Good point.
 

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As noted, there is a difference between paranormal and superhero, even though was bound to be some crossover. However, the difference is that paranormal stories tend to be based on on updating monster and folklore stories, where characters have supernatural powers and alien psychologies, whereas superhero stories are about relatively normal people who gain powers and how they deal with it.

More to the point is the romance aspect of them, as paranormal stories tend to concentrate on romance and the effects thereof (especially in terms of the political and psychological), whereas superhero stories tend to treat romance as just part of the story. It's interesting that there is some overlap here (such as worrying about the effects of genetics), but usually they are kept far apart...

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This is probably not original thought, however, aren't paranormal romances just superhero stories with a little rougher edge. I mean, you have what would otherwise be normal folks who are granted superhuman abilities. These extra-talented beings side up good and bad. The rest of us go weak in the knees for them.

Maybe I over simplify.

Ah, no. For one basic reason: At the core, Superhero stories are action/adventure and written to appeal to preteen to early adult males. At the core, Romance as a genre (which includes Paranormal) are about two people falling in love and learning to become a couple and written to appeal to early adult to adult to elderly females.

That difference alone makes them very much not the same thing.
 

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Ah, no. For one basic reason: At the core, Superhero stories are action/adventure and written to appeal to preteen to early adult males. At the core, Romance as a genre (which includes Paranormal) are about two people falling in love and learning to become a couple and written to appeal to early adult to adult to elderly females.

That difference alone makes them very much not the same thing.
This is incorrect because you're presupposing that ALL paranormal is romance. It isn't. Not all paranormal and urban fantasy are romance. They are action/adventure.
 

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This is incorrect because you're presupposing that ALL paranormal is romance. It isn't. Not all paranormal and urban fantasy are romance. They are action/adventure.

They are also thrillers (ie, paranormal thrillers).

But I think DeleyanLee's parenthetical was meant to include Paranormal Romance under the category of Romance, rather than all Paranormal stories.

Which you and I both know aren't all Romance. ;)
 

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Actually from what I've read, I'm more convinced.
1. Super heroes have super human powers. So do paranormal heroes.
2. Both deal with relating to our world with these powers. Or, in some cases, dealing with their own version of the world, where those powers aren't such a big deal.
3. Paranormal focuses on things that scare us. Super Heroes do the same from the other side, sometimes. I might point out that in the last three paranormal novels I've read, Vampires and Werewolves are as often the good guys as the bad.
4. They are both action-centric.

Deleyan Lee has a point that super hero stuff is directed at young males and romance is pointed at women. I guess old men don't read, well maybe the paper and history books.

I for one read romance and super hero and fantasy and history and you get the point.

I like them being the same but different.
 

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At the core, Superhero stories are action/adventure and written to appeal to preteen to early adult males.

Actually, I have a superhero novel coming out next summer. And it focuses on two superpowered women. Target audience? Everyone who loves comic books and superheroes. It's very much JUSTICE LEAGUE meets 1984. And it's very much **not** a romance.
 
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