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I have a series of stories for kids that I would like to shop around as a book. Does it make sense to concurrently send a couple of these out to magazines? If they get published, does that mean I have no right to republish them in a book. Will I create any conflict there? I know that with books for adults portions often appear in magazines first and it's good as promotion.
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I think I'd choose first. Or at least, note very carefully which magazines you're sending to: Highlights, and the Children's Better Health mags (Playmate, Jack and Jill, etc) seem to want to buy "all rights." Highlights talks very nicely about giving the rights back if you need them, but they own the story; you aren't allowed to sell it elsewhere, if you've sold to them on their terms. Gets me mad that anyone would expect that, for fiction.
 

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It's my understanding that unless you're a known name, getting a collection of short stories published in darn near impossible. You're probably better off selling your stories to magazines and building a name for yourself, which could one day make a collection of your stories attarctive to editors. If you want to keep them together, you could try looking for publishers who publish short story collections in your genre. Checking amazon or Barnes & Noble to see what's out there will giove you a start to who publishes that kind of work.

As for rights, it all depends on what rights you sell. First North American, World, All Rights, etc. Make sure you understand what they are before you submit anything. Each publication should have submission guidelines with that information. You can also check www.duotrope.com for publications. Duotrope is a pretty good search engine for magazines.
 

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Although it's a collection of stories, they are all about one character. But the plot starts and ends in each story, pretty much. So they are separate.
 

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I can think of a few short story collections that have done well: Louis Sachar's Wayside School stories, and David Lubar's new Campfire Weenies and Road Weenies series. But those are not stories that would ever have been likely to get accepted in Highlights, anyway....

I don't know much about the magazine market, except to know that my kids only read the science ones--Ranger Rick and such.

If the goal is a book, would it be possible to expand your stories into longer pieces? Is there enough potential to turn a single story into a chapter book, or weave together a few of the stories to make a chapter book? Just because I think the market is more open for that.
 

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With a PB, there are 32 pages. Therefore there should be enough places where an illustration can go. In a magazine, they're held to only a few illustrations. The story should be able to hold its own without the use of so many pictures.

The children's magazine market and PB market are two totally different places for stories. It's not a matter of expanding the story, but having it be a good fit for a PB or a magazine.
 

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I think I'd choose first. Or at least, note very carefully which magazines you're sending to: Highlights, and the Children's Better Health mags (Playmate, Jack and Jill, etc) seem to want to buy "all rights." Highlights talks very nicely about giving the rights back if you need them, but they own the story; you aren't allowed to sell it elsewhere, if you've sold to them on their terms. Gets me mad that anyone would expect that, for fiction.

You can be mad at Highlights in principle, but I wouldn't hold it against them in particular. Highlights resells my stories far more often than I would ever be able to do myself and they get higher resale fees than I would get, which they then, of course, share with me. Yes, they own all rights, but I'm sure they would be happy to work something out if I ever decided to repackage my stories as an anthology. The thing is, unless you've got huge name recognition in the market, anthologies are a near impossible sell. Magazine stories are intended to be read once and thrown away. Hard bound books are meant to be read over and over and over again.

The Highlights people are wonderful people. You'd be silly to not want your work seen/read by their 3 million subscribers because of this rights issue.

I agree you should decide...are your stories magazine stories or are they book stories...before submitting anywhere. If you submit to both markets you are asking for trouble. Any publisher who sees them as potentially profitable will want FIRST rights.

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Yes, they may be sweet as all get-out, but they have the power. That doesn't endear them to me.

Basically, they buy all rights because it simplifies life for them, and because authors are timid and don't stand up to them.

Anyone know, if you sell all rights, could the owners, in theory, prevent you from writing another story with the same characters? Okay, Highlights (under current management) wouldn't and Disney would -- but would it be legal?

Yes, they own all rights, but I'm sure they would be happy to work something out if I ever decided to repackage my stories as an anthology.
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The Highlights people are wonderful people. You'd be silly to not want your work seen/read by their 3 million subscribers because of this rights issue.

Jim
 

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This power you dislike...

this would be the same power that enables them to entertain reprint requests from just about every state testing agency in the US. The power of such a large subscription base and their global reputation as a children's publication generates significant reprint revenues for me. They sell each of my stories several times a year, each time passing on reprint fees the same or larger than the original sales price.

I occasionally get similar reprint requests from my non Highlights publications but they are rare. There just isn't a big reprint market for magazine stories, unless you are Highlights for Children. What's the advantage in retaining rights if you can't find a buyer for them? I let Highlights find the buyer, negotiate the reprint fee, after which I gladly accept the money. I should not be endeared to this system??

As for characters...my understanding is the rights you sell are for that particular story. They do not own any specific characters. You can do whatever you like with your characters (including inventing new ones, which would be the simplest way out). You just can't sell the same story to someone else.

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You're very convincing, and I'm glad to hear what you say, but they could do all that without buying all rights.

As they say, it's not the money, it's the principle...



This power you dislike...

this would be the same power that enables them to entertain reprint requests from just about every state testing agency in the US. The power of such a large subscription base and their global reputation as a children's publication generates significant reprint revenues for me. They sell each of my stories several times a year, each time passing on reprint fees the same or larger than the original sales price.
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What the Highlights folks will tell you is that, without owning all the rights, whenever a testing agency would request reprint permission, Highlights would have to tell them to contact the author instead. Since authors change addresses, phone numbers, and last names all the time the testing agencies would have a devil of a time tracking down the needed permissions. It would make it impossibly complicated for them, which is a major reason why they like to use Highlights stories for their comprehension tests. The testing agencies know they can make one phone call to Highlights and secure the rights they need.

Highlights then sends the money to the author. If Highlights has lost track of the author over time, they put the reprint money into their Chautauqua scholarship fund which helps attendees pay for their annual writers' retreat.

They offered me a scholarship a few years back.

So, in reply to your reply...no, Highlights couldn't do all this without owning the rights. They would, instead, direct the testing agencies to try and contact the author. The testing agencies would eventually go elsewhere and the stories would not get reprinted.

The principle is a good one, but the reality here is different.

All too often I hear writers declare they'd never submit to Highlights because of this rights issue and I always feel an obligation to clarify.

You can stick to your principles if you like, but I don't see it as helping your career...quite the oppposite, actually. (And I really cringe when someone implies I must be too timid to stand up for my rights)

Jim
 

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And I really cringe when someone implies I must be too timid to stand up for my rights

Jim


Aaah, phooey, I don't believe you cringe!


:flag:But you have given me something to think about, seriously. I, too, have avoided Highlights, for two reasons:

1. All rights.

2. When I was a kid, Highlights was in the dentist's waiting room.

Not that I'm prejudiced, or anything.

Seriously, couldn't they do a "we handle the reprint rights" contract, the way book publishers often do? Highlights could be sold to Disney or Sanyo or Beatrice Foods, for heaven's sake, tomorrow, and they would own all those rights forever. They wouldn't have to share anything.

Bonita
 

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I think, for the most part, submitting to a magazine is a way to "build your writing portfolio." I wouldn't mind sending out a few stories that I know I will no longer own if it means increasing my chances to get a book published. (Its business) But if you have a few stories that you want to see as books... set them aside or submit them to book publishers/agents, and write a few stories that you wouldn't mind sending to a magazine. It doesn't hurt to try all avenues. :)
Good luck!