Appropriate for Children?

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Let's see if I can adequately explain my question. For several short stories that I have written, I have had more than one reader/critiquer say they thought the story would make a good story for children as a picture book. However, I wrote the stories for adults not children. While they were fantasy stories (dragons, faeries, etc,) the characters in the stories are adults, there are no children in them. A couple of the stories had elements that I think are inappropriate for children. One had very mild sexual innuendo, another one sort of glorified stealing. The only thing that I see that would make them appropriate for children is that they are somewhat humorous.

So, what do you think? Where is the line in the sand for what is appropriate or not for children? Do the character's need to be children? Can you have a story where all of the characters are adults or adult fantasy critters?

Yes, I know. There are no rules for writing. You can pretty much do whatever you want. Does this hold true for children's stories?
 

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There are stories that children enjoy that doesn't have children as main characters (for example, the King Arthur stories, or Robin Hood) or that only have animals as characters. I recently wrote one that only had unnamed "children" in the story.

And you could always edit your stories so that they're more appropriate for children. The biggest problem I see that you might have is the vocabulary you used since most picture books are targeted for a fairly young age group. You might have to go through your stories and substitute easier words. You could also have a problem with word count. How long are these stories?
 
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I'd say with a little editing, your stories could certainly also work for children and also as an adult series. Remove things like the sexual innuendos, simplify the words a bit (as alleycat has recommended), and even add a moral to the story so the children can learn something positive and your writing will be taken as parent-approved.

Good luck!
 

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What if you just made your adult characters into young adults or older teenagers and made them YA? Then they'd still be targeting an older group but be age-appropriate. I suppose it's up to you.
 

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Yes, I know. There are no rules for writing. You can pretty much do whatever you want. Does this hold true for children's stories?
Yep, there are rules. You just have to know them before you go and try breaking them. And that's not always a good idea.

Now, your characters are adult. Your storyline is more adult. Those are hard things to change. You're told though, that it reads like a children's story. That tells me that possibly your sentences are short, your choice of wording is on a, say, second grade level, but most likely the manner in which you're relating the story is as if you're writing it for a child.

When I first started writing, the above tripped me up on a few of my essays. They were targeted for adults, yet the way I expressed myself was as if they were geared for a child.

Put it aside for a week or so, then go back and reread it out loud. That might help you to see how you can rewrite it.
 

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And you could always edit your stories so that they're more appropriate for children. The biggest problem I see that you might have is the vocabulary you used since most picture books are targeted for a fairly young age group. You might have to go through your stories and substitute easier words.

Yes, I tend to use $0.50 words which sends even highly educated adults to the dictionary. It comes from having a science and engineering background.

You could also have a problem with word count. How long are these stories?

This actually is not a problem for me. I tend to write short stories that are short and to the point. The stories that I am talking about range from 800 to 4,000 words. Mostly I write about 1,000 words stories. (The longest one of 4,000 words started at 1300 and then I beefed it up.) Which is picture book range and why I have been thinking about writing for that market.

Now, your characters are adult. Your storyline is more adult. Those are hard things to change. You're told though, that it reads like a children's story. That tells me that possibly your sentences are short, your choice of wording is on a, say, second grade level, but most likely the manner in which you're relating the story is as if you're writing it for a child.
I think it is the last part. The humor in the stories comes from me letting my inner child (gah! what a tired clich.) run wild with abandon. Actually, it is similar to the playfulness I have seen in quite a few of the threads here. Which leads me to wonder if maybe the readers were wrong. They wouldn't be caught dead playing around like that.

I think maybe I'll polish one of the shorter ones up and post it in SYW and see what you all think about it.
 

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.... even add a moral to the story so the children can learn something positive and your writing will be taken as parent-approved.

Please, no!

Unless it is a humorous moral that can't possibly be taken seriously.

Otherwise, nothing kills a story faster than using it to try to teach something!
 

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Re: "The biggest problem I see that you might have is the vocabulary you used since most picture books are targeted for a fairly young age group."

But why??!!! Why, why, why do "picture books' have to be targeted to "a fairly young age group?" I can remember buying a copy of Madeline and the Bad Hat in college. If I had been able to buy a Madeline and the Bad Hat t-shirt, keyring, etc back then, I would have. I also bought an illustrated Alice in Wonderland, as well as at the Salvation Army, some vintage '60s poetry books with collages + brief poems (okay, so the poems weren't so good - but why not put some great poems together with the collages)? I also found a Peter Max book recently, which I gave as a gift to my "emo" musician nephew AND HE LOVED IT!!!! (10 points if you know what emo means - trust me, my nephew had to explain it to me, 'cause I didn't know). So I think there is a market there for YA "picture books" - I don't mean "graphic novels," I mean books which are picture books, 200-800 words in length, with artwork.

Anyway, I will step down from my soapbox now. But if I see teens walking around in "Elvis in Las Vegas" belts (i.e., retro hipster clothing), I think (I KNOW) some of them would be open to retro-kitschy-vintage picture books as fashion accessory/statement.

Okay, I REALLY am off my soapbox now!
 

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I vote for posting it in SYW. That's the only way to tell.

Much of what is considered Classic Children's Lit are books that were never intended for children. Robin Hood, Kidnapped, Little Women--they were just books. Most fairytales fall into that category, and that is quite possibly what makes your readers feel they sound like kid's stories.

However, there's a huge difference between a classic fairytale and what gets accepted for publication as a picture book these days. If you have a 1000 word story with 50-cent vocabulary, you'll find the picture book market is pretty closed. Fractured fairytales that play on classics that kids are familiar with, those do sell well. But original fantasy/fairytales, even for kids, tend to sell only if they are novel length. So I'm not sure where your stories would fit.
 

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Okay, I posted one of the stories over in SYW. It's called Stealing Cookies. It's fairly representative of the humorous stories that I write. Please take a look at it and let me know whether you think it is appropriate for children. Thanks.