middle grade fantasy...or not?

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Hi,

I've been editing my middle grade fantasy novel and recently submitted it to my online critique group. In the last couple of days, I've gotten two critiques. One of them said that my writing was great and gave me a few tips to improve the manuscript; he also said that he thought my target-age was right on (I'm aiming for about 6-9, or 10 at the most). The other said that he thought my writing was geared more toward a 4-6 age range. I tend to not agree with reviewer number 2, but now I'm questioning my manuscript. Should I? Or should I go with my gut on this? Or should I see what others have to say first and chalk this up to "each person's individual opinion?"

Thanks for your thoughts!
 

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First off, congrats on the work itself. As to the target audience, I dont think I would put too much stock in only two persons opinions (unless of course they are major publishers/editors of children's fantasy). I think that, as the author, you are in the best position to know who you wrote the work for. This isnt to say that other opinions are not necessary and useful, but you are the ultimate decision maker.
Are you worried about showing the work to more people? If not, why not let some other folks have a go at it and get a bigger sample. Other than that, I would say any publisher or editor (professional) is going to be able to let you know pretty quickly what age range you are in when you get to that stage.
Lastly, does it impact the work at all if the age range is not "nailed down"? Or is your worry simply from a submission point of view?

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I suppose I'm always worried about showing my work to other people. It's just the way that I am. And no, neither is a children's fantasy publisher or editor. They are just other writers like I am. One though, is an editor for a political type of ezine. The other writes fantasy for adults.

As for whether the work is impacted by the age range issue, I would say yes. I did have an agent look at the first ten pages and give a critique at a conference I went to recently. She suggested I go back through and cut or rework any places where I was "talking down" to my readers. I'm afraid that, if it reads like it's meant for 4-6 year olds, that I'm still dumbing it down. And I most definitely don't want to do that. On the same note though, the same guy pointed out some dialogue that is above a 4-6 year old, so I suppose it's not all bad.
 

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Did the person give you specifics about the "dumming down" moments or was it just a general statement?
I generally agree with the not dumming down thing, as a rule children usually can read content above where most adults think they can. So my advice would be to go through and make the work as close to ten year old level as you can. But without specific instances pointed out by the person who read it, that may be tough. You might also think about reading or at least browsing through some other books in teh same genre/age range to see if yours "lines up".
 

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Did the person give you specifics about the "dumming down" moments or was it just a general statement?
I generally agree with the not dumming down thing, as a rule children usually can read content above where most adults think they can.


The reader didn't give any examples whereas the agent that read it over did. There are points in the story when my MCs arrive in their fantasy world where they point out things that they don't need to point out. These were her examples and I've since removed them so he can't be noticing that. And since meeting with her and confirming what I normally do with my own children anyway (talk to them like they understand me, not like they're idiots), I've stopped writing my kid-MCs like that. They use normal language and such. I just don't know if maybe the guy didn't really know what he was talking about and just wanted a review in return. His posted work had no reviews yet and it had been up for over a week. My posted work happens to be one of the two shortest ones up. I like to post a short piece of my work in order to maximize readers. In this case, it may have worked against me. Now I've rambled...was any of this useful or necessary? :D
 

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I write for YA/MG and it has been my experience that people who don't read and write in this genre don't understand how sophisticated kids are these days. They thnk of YA fiction like it was 25 years ago. It has changed a LOT. The defining factor to where the book goes has more to do with subject matter and complexity of plot than anything else.

An example I just gave on another thread, is that I just sold my YA fantasy trilogy, and while I wrote it for high school age (my protag is 17), my editor plans to market it to the 10-14 crowd. This choice was made because of the adventure style of the book, and the lack of sex, adult-like themes, and grittiness. And folks in my crit group? They said I was too advanced for teens, yet here are pros saying it's good for 10 year olds.

Kids understand more than you think. The vocabulary is more advanced than you think. The themes are more adult. The main differences are word length (though even that is flexible), pacing (YA tends to be faster-paced) and fewer subplots. The stories are issues that kids can relate to, even if those stories are "adult" in nature.

A few examples: "How to Get Suspended and Influence People" deals with censorship and mastrubation. It's protagonist is 14 at it's a MG novel. "13 Reasons Why" deals with suicide. "Godless" deals with religion and obsession. "The White Darkness" deals with disfunctional relationships and survival in Antartica. The protagonist in this one is 14, and her vocabulary surpasses a lot of adult books I've read.

Write your story the way you feel it needs to be written, then let your editor decide where it goes. :) Don't worry about readers getting it, just make the characters act like kids that age would act and be true to them. Kids can spot preaching and BS a mile away.
 

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Danthia- Thanks for your reassuring words on this. My MCs are 8 and 10. They talk very much like my nearly-nine-year-old does, so I think their vocabulary is all right. I suppose it's as you've said. Not all readers will "get it."
 

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I seriously wonder where your reader was coming from. Most 4-year-old children can't read yet.... There aren't books written for 4 to 6-year-olds, except for picture books meant to be read aloud and very, very simple easy readers. It doesn't sound to me like you have written the next Clifford, the Big Red Dog, so you probably don't have a book for that age range.

There is currently very little fantasy on the market for the 6 to 10-year-old range. Have you read any of the Dragon-Slayer's Academy (Kate McMullan) or Time Warp Trio (Jon Scieska) series? If yours is similar in terms of themes, language and length, then you're right on target for that age.

I teach first grade, so I know this age range pretty well. If you want to post some in SYW, I can let you know what I think about the age-appropriateness.

Judy
 

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Judy-How about if I send you the first two chapters in a private message? Would that be okay?
 

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Language, word count, and reading ability make for some big differences between something for a six-year-old and a ten-year-old. What is the word count? Are the chapters short or long? Is there any description or is it just action, action, action?
 

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I agree with Judy, and I wonder if that reader was suggesting the grade level more than the age. 4th - 6th grade maybe?

BTW - Judy is a great critter. :)
 

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Language, word count, and reading ability make for some big differences between something for a six-year-old and a ten-year-old. What is the word count? Are the chapters short or long? Is there any description or is it just action, action, action?

I agree with Judy, and I wonder if that reader was suggesting the grade level more than the age. 4th - 6th grade maybe?

BTW - Judy is a great critter. :)


Pennstater: The language, in my opinion, isn't any different than if I were talking to another adult (minus any inappropriate language but I don't use that anyway).

The word count is about 25,000 words, so far too long for a picture book.

As for description and action? There is description when needed and then action as required. I hope that's clear.

TurkeyLurkey: The reader couldn't be suggesting the grade level unless he mistyped. He wrote that the "target audience would be very young children, perhaps 4-6 years old." This is a direct quote, sadly. The only explanation he offers for this is my description of the fantasy world they arrived in. He either doesn't approve of the colorful description or is clueless that his review makes it look like he hates my ideas. If he really didn't like it, I'd prefer he just say that. I'd rather hear "Wow, you suck. Please don't ever write again." Instead of "That's nice. I bet a 4 year old would love it even though you've clearly marked it for a middle grade audience." lol. You know what I mean?
 

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If you're skeptical, get more feedback! If 10 people think your age range is right on, and 1 thinks it's written for much younger kids, that one guy is probably an anomaly. Have you posted any excerpts in the 'share your work' forum? lots of people would be willing to give it a glance for age range.
 

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Kitty Pryde: I have just posted the first chapter of my second MG novel if you'd like to look it over, but I haven't posted any of that one. Maybe I'll go post the first chapter of that one as well. It's a good idea. Thanks.
 

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Definitely post the chapter in SYW. Get as many eyes to look at it as possible!

And if it's 25K, it is NOT for 4 to 6-year-olds!

But it sounds like your critter may have been saying the world itself sounds like it would appeal to younger kids, that something about it may not be edgy enough for 10-year-olds. And that's certainly something to think about. Post it and we'll all take a look!
 

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Judy-How about if I send you the first two chapters in a private message? Would that be okay?

Better to have it in Show Your Work. 2 reasons: get a lot more people's opinions, which gives you a better picture of how the work is perceived. and 2: school starts on Monday, so I can't guarantee I'd give it the attention it deserves!
 

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The first chapter is up in SYW now. It's the one that's 1,000-something words. The other is another MG fantasy I'm working on and it's at around 2,000 words for the first chapter. Thanks so much for helping me out with this! I really appreciate everyone's opinions!!
 

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Having glanced at your MG in SYW, you are definitely MG. But lower MG. So you are going for a top reader of 10 I would say.

Good luck!
 

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Thanks for looking! I was trying to hit 8-10 year olds. I'm glad that's what it looks like.