EPCA (moved from Christian Markets)

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ToddWBush

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This is a question/comment more than anything else...

One of the basic things a new writer learns from the wonderful people and advice on AW is "a reputable agent or publisher is NEVER going to ask you to pay when you submit your query and/or manuscript". And yet, if you go to ECPA's website then click on Manuscript Submission, they charge you $98 to post your manuscript for six months.

Please tell me if I have this wrong, but it seems to me that ECPA is counting on "Christian writers" being stupid or ignorant of the process.
 

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Do you have a link?

http://www.ecpa.org/index.php

That's the ECPA homepage. Look on the left side, you'll see the "Christian Manuscript Submissions" link.

http://www.christianmanuscriptsubmissions.com/

That's their homepage.

Here's the link that says they charge:

http://www.christianmanuscriptsubmissions.com/authors/faq.php

And here's the exact quote (as part of their FAQ):

"How much does this cost?

The cost for placing a manuscript in the ChristianManuscriptSubmissions.com database is $98 for six months. During that time, you are able to access your proposal and make any desired editorial changes. "

Now, you may say that the Christian Manuscript Submissions site isn't affiliated with ECPA, but one click on their "About Us" link says this:

"ChristianManuscriptSubmissions.com is a service of the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA)."

So, I ask... do they think Christian writers are idiots? Or just ignorant of the process?
 

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Unfortunately, somebody, somewhere will pay that $98. Lots of somebodies. And it's those same people who do a disservice to writer's everywhere, especially in freelancing. (Some folks are so desperate to be published, they'll write a 500 word article for $2-$3.)

Christian publishers are just like Christians: Not everyone claiming to be Christian actually is one.
 

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I'm not terribly familiar with ECPA and after this, not sure I wanna be. But it strikes me as fairly slimy that a company purporting to be Christian in nature would perpetrate a fleece-job like this.

I've heard both editors and agents say they do not look at these sites/services such as Writer's Edge and the like. Their slush piles are full enough already.
 

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ECPA started this service with good intentions, a chance for aspiring authors to post their work, in hopes that editors and agents would drop by and find a gem they would like to publish/represent. I have talked with several editors with ECPA, and all have said they DO look at the site, but that they rarely find anything of value on it. Thus it has degenerated into being close to a scam. But that was never ECPA's intent.

Since people have to pay the bills, they have to charge someone something. Since it's a buyers' market, they charge the sellers--the authors. I agree, however, that the price is way out of line for the cost of providing the service, and thus has become a money making proposition for ECPA. At least that's how I see it.

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The interesting thing is that the ECPA show in Dallas is being touted as the replacment for the ICRS (Internation Christian Retailers Show), which used to be called the CBA (Christian Book Association) show/convention.

With publishers pulling out of the ICRS, it seems to be headed down the tubes. It'll be interesting to see where things go from there. Apparently some of the larger Christian publishers plan to go to BEA (Book Expo America) and maybe set up a CBA section.
 
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