Is this irony?

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I usually mis-use the term ironic, or irony. I have a relative idea of what it means and here is my example (I am honestly not, in any way intending to offend anyone):

George W. Bush will protect your unborn fetus, then send your grown child off to war.
 

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I'd call that an attempt at blunt political humor.

If a comedian had delivered it, irony might lie in the fact he tried to make a joke but it just wasn't funny.

If someone quotes Alanis Morissette* lyrics in this thread, I won't be surprised.

*link to YouTube! video.

-Derek
 

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For me, irony is like obsenity: I can't describe it well, but I know it when I see it.

Anywho, here is an example of irony:

Jim Fixx, who did much to popularize jogging as a form of healthy exercise in his 1977 book The Complete Book of Running, died at the age of 52 of a heart attack while out jogging.
 

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I usually mis-use the term ironic, or irony. I have a relative idea of what it means and here is my example (I am honestly not, in any way intending to offend anyone):

George W. Bush will protect your unborn fetus, then send your grown child off to war.
I would think that is an example of inconsistent goals, rather than irony.

For example, if I complain about expensive food prices, but then buy the most expensive brand of food for my pet dog (who will quite happily eat vomit off the pavement) then it wouldn't be ironic- it is just inconsistent.

However, if I knit a sweater for the dog for his comfort, it would be ironic if the dog instantly died of wool allergy.

I think the type of irony you are reaching for is " I did 'Action A' to prevent 'B', but 'Action A' ended up causing 'B' "

To convert your example to irony, I would say the 'I thought human life was precious so did action 'B'. As a result of 'B', 2000 more people died'. (It is more convoluted, but there you go)

That just leaves the question - would a sheep with a wool allergy be ironic?

Mac
 
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I usually mis-use the term ironic, or irony. I have a relative idea of what it means and here is my example (I am honestly not, in any way intending to offend anyone):

George W. Bush will protect your unborn fetus, then send your grown child off to war.
I think you're thinking more of the absurd than the ironic with this.
 

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As dpaterso says, someone's going to quote Alanis Morissette in this thread, so it might as well be me. Most of Alanis' examples aren't ironic at all. Such as:

It's like rain on your wedding day

As it happens, it did rain on my wedding day, but it wasn't ironic. Just annoying and cold. If I was a meteorologist and had predicted cloudless skies and 29c and then it had rained, that would have been ironic.

The funny thing about our Alanis is that she wrote a famous song about irony despite not having much idea what the word means. Which is, if you think about, ironic.
 

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A paraplegic living on running street, is irony.
A slut living on virgin street.
A dog trainer dying by a cat attack.
 

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The funny thing about our Alanis is that she wrote a famous song about irony despite not having much idea what the word means. Which is, if you think about, ironic.


Yeah, she said herself the only thing ironic about the song was that it didn't have any irony in it.:)
 

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As dpaterso says, someone's going to quote Alanis Morissette in this thread, so it might as well be me. Most of Alanis' examples aren't ironic at all. Such as:



As it happens, it did rain on my wedding day, but it wasn't ironic. Just annoying and cold. If I was a meteorologist and had predicted cloudless skies and 29c and then it had rained, that would have been ironic.

The funny thing about our Alanis is that she wrote a famous song about irony despite not having much idea what the word means. Which is, if you think about, ironic.

:roll: I couldn't have put it myself. That poor girl hasn't got a clue what ironic actually means. Like you said that's the most ironic thing about the song. And her. Most of what she describes in her song are just bloody unlucky, definitely not ironic!
 

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Good thread. Irony is something i think a lot of people mis understand. I like the scene in Reality Bites when she is applying at the newspaper after working for TV and the interviewer asks her why she wants to switch then tells her to define irony. She of course can't and the elevator door closes on her. Excellent!

I know that long paragraph at the end looks daunting but it is very pertinent to this thread and worth the read.

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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
i·ro·ny Pronunciation[ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Pronunciation Key -
–noun, plural -nies.

1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2. Literature. a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.

3. Socratic irony: pretended ignorance in discussion.
4. dramatic irony: irony that is inherent in speeches or a situation of a drama and is understood by the audience but not grasped by the characters in the play.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6. the incongruity of this.
7. an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8. an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.


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[Origin: 1495–1505; < L īrōnīa < Gk eirōneía dissimulation, sarcasm, understatement, equiv. to eírōn a dissembler + -eia -y3]


—Synonyms 1, 2. Irony, sarcasm, satire indicate mockery of something or someone. The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs. In the figure of speech, emphasis is placed on the opposition between the literal and intended meaning of a statement; one thing is said and its opposite implied, as in the comment, “Beautiful weather, isn't it?” made when it is raining or nasty. Ironic literature exploits, in addition to the rhetorical figure, such devices as character development, situation, and plot to stress the paradoxical nature of reality or the contrast between an ideal and actual condition, set of circumstances, etc., frequently in such a way as to stress the absurdity present in the contradiction between substance and form. Irony differs from sarcasm in greater subtlety and wit. In sarcasm ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in “What a fine musician you turned out to be!” or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, “You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants.” The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflection, whereas satire and irony, arising originally as literary and rhetorical forms, are exhibited in the organization or structuring of either language or literary material. Satire usually implies the use of irony or sarcasm for censorious or critical purposes and is often directed at public figures or institutions, conventional behavior, political situations, etc.
 

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I usually mis-use the term ironic, or irony. I have a relative idea of what it means and here is my example (I am honestly not, in any way intending to offend anyone):

George W. Bush will protect your unborn fetus, then send your grown child off to war.

Whether one thinks this irony or not I think it's pretty humorous myself.
 

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I usually mis-use the term ironic, or irony. I have a relative idea of what it means and here is my example (I am honestly not, in any way intending to offend anyone):

George W. Bush will protect your unborn fetus, then send your grown child off to war.

Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what "irony" is?

Baldrick: Sure. It's like "goldy" or "bronzey", only made of iron.

(sorry, couldn't resist)
 

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To use another literary example, dramatic irony is found in Flowers for Algernon when the MC Charlie Gordon, a man of low IQ telling his story via journal entries, considers his co-workers Joe and Frank his best friends. We the readers can tell by what he describes of their relationship that the men are being cruel to him and laughing at him.

--Q
 

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people get irony and coincidence mixed up.

As mentioned earlier, the Alanis Morrisette song has great examples of irony. (Those who say it doesn't don't understand the definition of irony.)

Also, I always remember the definition of irony from the movie Reality Bites (one of my favorites):
"When the literal meaning is the exact opposite of the intended meaning."

here's a less funny example of irony:
I recently moved, because I graduated in December and my lease is up next month. I wasn't getting any calls about jobs and I was bored as hell so my mother came up and we packed. Well, just as I was leaving, I got two calls for interviews in town. I had to stay an extra day in a hotel, then fly up a week later.
 
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Also, the bush joke isn't irony.... I think it would have to be literal for it to be true. Not to get into a whole political debate, but remember that troops choose to be in the army. Fetuses do not choose to die. (I'm pro-choice, but let's be logical here.)
 
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