Using Brand names in a fantasy world

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I was wondering, does anyone use brand names for cars like Toyota or Ford, or Gun models like the Beretta? I do have Ferrari's which is important to the plot. Since that's what the bad guys drive, and my MC is going to ride in one too. The Good guys drive Ford Mustangs, and the bad guys ride in Bullet Proof Ferraris.

My MC has a Glock pistol, and a Beretta Bobcat. And there's this book called Frankenstein, that's going to help in my MC's development. There's a character in that book that she can relate to.

Do you guys use brand/model names in a fantasy/made up world?
 

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It depends on the fantasy world in question. Is it plausible for those same brands to exist in your made-up world? How similar is your made-up world to the real world?
 

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It's perfectly fine to use brand names, just as long as your book doesn't come across as a paid advertisement.

Personally, I use very generic terms like car, SUV, gun, soda, etc..., because it's rarely important to the plot that the person drive a Lincoln Town Car or drink Diet Sprite. The only real exception is if the use of a specific brand name helps develop the character in some way (Town Car = wealthy, for example).
 

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I was wondering, does anyone use brand names for cars like Toyota or Ford, or Gun models like the Beretta?

I name my cars and guns. There's nothing else that would benefit from being named. Unfortunately I can't get Smith and Wesson or Bugatti to pay for me advertising their goods.
 

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I was wondering, does anyone use brand names for cars like Toyota or Ford, or Gun models like the Beretta? I do have Ferrari's which is important to the plot. Since that's what the bad guys drive, and my MC is going to ride in one too. The Good guys drive Ford Mustangs, and the bad guys ride in Bullet Proof Ferraris.

My MC has a Glock pistol, and a Beretta Bobcat. And there's this book called Frankenstein, that's going to help in my MC's development. There's a character in that book that she can relate to.

Do you guys use brand/model names in a fantasy/made up world?
In made-up worlds? No. I don't use brand names. In my urban fantasy which is set in our world, yes I do.
 

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In made-up worlds? No. I don't use brand names. In my urban fantasy which is set in our world, yes I do.

I was just going to point out that, a fictional world but Microsoft continues to make computers? not in Billy's wet dreams!.

If you are not set in our world that mean you don't have the same companies (and not even the same technology) That's the catch. In either cases you have to do some research


I also write in a made-up world, and even at the beginning it was a bit noisy, you get used to have your characters driving a Bolt Imperial to have lunch in Weekend's with the regional manager of Carbon-Cola over the scandal of Peninsular employees
 

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While not fantasy, read "The Things They Carried" by Tim O'Brien.

The short story seems like nothing more than a laundry list of brand items and finely detailed descriptions of items without brand names. The reasoning behind this is the "weight" the details bring to the story.

Of course, your interpretation may differ, but because of the items the story becomes more surreal as it goes on and the culmination smacks you in the face when your eyes are closed.

That said, brand names ok if they fit the world. Their use adds "flavor" to the story because a person can look it up on Google or whatever and visualize what you are writing about.

However I would caution this...know your product. Nothing chaps my hide more than someone detailing an object - say a 1979 Harley Davidson Sportster - and calling it a Flat head or some other convention that is incorrect. (FYI, it's an Ironhead. - Sporty's prior to the advent of the Evolution engine were "Ironheads", there's a whole world of nicknames in the HD community and you'd better do your homework before details are thrown out.)

Let's use another example, A glock. Common enough weapon, right? Cool polymer frame. They come in different caliber, models, they have a polymer frame - which BTW does set off the metal detectors at airports and weren't around before 1963. Little details make a difference. Keep notes, do your homework and you avoid nasty fan mail when your story gets published.

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You know in T.V shows, that they filter out brand names, even McDonalds? I couldn't understand why they'd do that.

A novel is not a TV show. If you want to write novels, you need to read novels, not watch TV.

One of the many differences is the business model. TV shows are paid for by advertisements, not by individual viewers. This works because TV shows are typically seen by millions of viewers. Besides commercials, businesses are also willing to pay for their products to be seen as part of the show. That's called product placement. On reality shows, sometimes a brand name product gets into a shot by chance. Those products are blurred out to avoid giving away free advertising.

Novels, outside of rare mega-bestsellers, are lucky to be seen by a few tens of thousands of readers. That's one of the reasons the advertising model of funding isn't used in the publishing industry. Anyway, I think most people would regard it as selling out. The good news is, since advertising isn't an issue, the writer is legally allowed to mention any brand name he or she wants, as long as it isn't in a negative or damaging way. However, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's a good idea. The question becomes whether mentioning a brand name will enhance your novel, or hurt it. The answer depends on a number of factors that are different for every novel.

In your particular case, one big issue is whether it's believable that your fantasy world is so identical to the real world that the same companies created the same products and achieved the same level of success by beating out their same competitors. None of us can answer that for you; we can only suggest that you think about it.

Fantasy stories have been done with the premise that they are set in the real world, that the fantasy elements really do exist, but most people just aren't aware of them. It could be that's how your story works. If so, fine. No one is saying you absolutely can't use brand names; we're just asking whether you've thought it through.

Of course, then you get into the issue of how to handle brand names well. Doing it badly can annoy readers. There are several threads up in Writing Novels, or maybe in Basic Writing Questions, where that is discussed in depth.
 

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Loosely related - I have a present-day alternate history that I'm writing with a divergence in the 1920s, so I have to check every brand name I use to see if it existed around then. If not, I make something else up, so there's a mix within the story. It's fun to research how long things have been around. Like Converse, for example. :)

Nicole
 
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My modern-day character sometimes makes reference to modern brand names and such in my (mainly historical-type) fantasy, and such references are made when the story is in her POV. I have to be careful, though, to not use such references when the POV is from one of the characters who aren't from a modern time period. For example, one situation reminds my modern-day MC of the game Wack-A-Mole, so that was referenced in the narration. I would not use this reference if the POV was that of one of the Victorian-, Colonial-, or Woodland Indian-era characters, though, since they would not understand what "Wack-A-Mole" is or why the modern-day character is reminded of it.

Sometimes you have to be really careful that a modern-day reference is something the characters in the current POV would understand. If they're all from the same time and place, though, anything that exists in that time and place in your world is just fine to make reference to. If your fantasy world has Glocks and Frankenstein, go for it.
 

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Coming to a theater near you: "Glocks and Frankenstein"

Sounds like a movie I would go see...

Nicole
 

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The Dresden Files regularly mentions fast food chains, grocery stores and products by name. Almost to the point of distraction in my mind, but it does hang a 'style' on a character. Thats a 'fantasy/magic' setting in the real current world.

I also recall a reference in Glory Road (Robert Heinlein) where the character mentions Life Bouy soap by name. Again, while the bulk of the story takes place in a fantastic otherworld setting - the hero has been transported from 'real' earth. Another book (Have Space Suit?) he mentions York Airconditioning and General Electric - so it's been done for sure.

Unless you are disparging the product, its likely you'll not draw any attention to it.
 

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If it's a fantasy version of our society, then sure, go for it if it works within the story.

"In the future, all restaurants are Taco Bell!"
 
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