Submitting American short fiction to UK pubs

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I'm going to be subbing a short story (originally written in American English) to a UK publisher. How far should I go in changing the American English to UK English? So far, I've inserted a "u" after every "o" (just kidding), I've changed all my elevators to lifts and all my parking lots to car parks. Is there anything else I ought to do before I send it off? Or, should I just leave it as is?
 

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I would just leave it. It's not like it's a totally foreign language. Just a little bit. Did you remember to double your l's in words like cancelled? lol

Seriously, if there's a word that's unclear I'm sure they'll just ask you to change it.
 

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I'm going to be subbing a short story (originally written in American English) to a UK publisher. How far should I go in changing the American English to UK English? So far, I've inserted a "u" after every "o" (just kidding), I've changed all my elevators to lifts and all my parking lots to car parks. Is there anything else I ought to do before I send it off? Or, should I just leave it as is?

Unless the guidelines specifically ask for UK spellings and other particulars, I'd leave everything in American English. So far everything I've sold to UK and Irish markets, with one exception, has been done that way.
 

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I'd say leave it alone altogether.

You don't want to have it half-fixed half-not because you didn't know to alter one thing. They may wonder at the spelling errors. But if it's consistently American spelling, they'll sort it out.
 

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What I've seen is that the UK markets specifically request you not change the spelling. Why? Because you're American and you don't spell British natively. 2000AD Online (when their site worked) asked for us across the Pond to not bother, because the Brits have been used to the American bastardization of their language for a while.
 

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It would depend on the market how picky they are about this, but if it's clear that you're not English, then the editor will know your strange spelling is deliberate. Most spell checkers can be set to American English or real* English, so you could check the spelling that way if you want to change it. If the story is set in America, then perhaps American words will add local colour?

*sorry. I couldn't resist.
 

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If the story is set in America, then perhaps American words will add local colour?

*sorry. I couldn't resist.

I'm sorry. What is that word "colour" of which you speak? :D

Thank you one and all. You have been most helpful.

I had thought that by attempting to use UK English, I might a) show respect for the language differences of the country in which I am trying to become published, and b) avoid the appearance of the arrogance which is sometimes ascribed to Americans (rightly or wrongly). Instead, it seems as though I'm just obsessing over nits. So I'll just shoot that sucker over the pond as is and let them try to figure it out. :D

BTW, Phot's Moll, when I read UK novels or shorts, the language differences do indeed add "colour" for me. I never thought about the reverse being true.
 

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We nearly always think of our own location as ordinary and other places as interesting.

Good luck with the subbing. (If they promise a weird thing called a 'cheque' tell them you don't want their foreign rubbish and have them send it to me so I can take care of it for you.;))
 

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We nearly always think of our own location as ordinary and other places as interesting.

Good luck with the subbing. (If they promise a weird thing called a 'cheque' tell them you don't want their foreign rubbish and have them send it to me so I can take care of it for you.;))

Thanks for the warning, 'cause otherwise, I just may have accepted their "cheque." :rolleyes:

There's so much about your country that confuses me. When I stayed in London several years ago, the sweet young thing at the hotel actually wanted to "knock me up in the morning."

You're a strange people.

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If it's...

an American story then leave it alone because there is no way you can alter the sentence patterns, choice of words etc. to make it sound Standard English and not American.

BUT

Have you checked your market out seriously. The literaries will accept an American story, but the genre mags like to have a British connection through character or setting or situation.

Obviously SF and Fantasy stories have different requirements.
 

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an American story then leave it alone because there is no way you can alter the sentence patterns, choice of words etc. to make it sound Standard English and not American.

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Have you checked your market out seriously. The literaries will accept an American story, but the genre mags like to have a British connection through character or setting or situation.

Obviously SF and Fantasy stories have different requirements.

Interesting take on it. I can tell you this. It's clearly an American story. The setting is a theme park. There's no UK connection at all. No getting away from that. It's also clearly genre--psychological horror, probably. Maybe suspense.

Frankly, I've checked this market out less that I would have liked to. It's a 6500 word short and there simply aren't that many places for it, based on length alone. I have no problem checking out anthologies, but my writing partner and I wanted to check out the pro markets first. We've gotten two encouraging rejections (as encouraging as a rejection can be), and want to give it this shot.

I can tell you this. As an American, I very much enjoy reading UK stories that are obviously all UK, with no American connection whatsoever. Of course I also like those with the occasional American connection.

I never expect anything when I submit, so I won't be disappointed with a rejection here. But, what the hey, it's worth a shot.
 

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I write in a different genre, but the UK mags I submit to do occasionally have stories set abroad. Some have even mentioned in their guidelines that they'll accept these.

I'd imagine that if they like everything else about the story, they won't reject it because your character realizes he's in a brightly-colored elevator, rather than realising he's in a brightly coloured lift.
 

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The thing to do...

is read the guidelines.

If you have a horror story then it will be okay. Have you tried the The Third Alternative magazines?
 

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is read the guidelines.

If you have a horror story then it will be okay. Have you tried the The Third Alternative magazines?

Thanks, pdr. I have read the guidelines. Just trying to be proactive, which apparently isn't necessary. I will check out The Third Alternative magazines. .
 

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Bangers and mashed would be a dead give-away. You might as well have your mc play soccer in a pair of sneakers.

Sorry, sorry - don't mean to be cruel, but it was funny. (I'm sure my attempts to translate English into American would be even more hilarious.)
 

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You're spot on...

Haggis, about being careful to wonder about your American story for a non-American market.

A literary story would be okay as is.
SF, Fantasy and Horror are usually okay as is.

General magazines aimed at Ms and Mr Average need to have a connection with the reader. So if I sell to a UK women's or general market mag I do make sure all is spelt UK style and there is a UK connection. Ditto for Oz or NZ or Canada or the US.

It's a courtesty the editors do notice and appreciate. After all your American culture and language are not British and Ms and Mr Average UK expect to read something mainly familiar.
 

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Leave as is. Many mags will publish in American English, others will translate. We're used to reading semi-literate Americanese.
 

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In my opinion American English is different to UK English. It's not better or worse, it's just different.
 

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In my opinion American English is different to UK English. It's not better or worse, it's just different.

I agree, PM. But I think Mike had his tongue firmly ensconced in his green cheek when he spoke of "semi-literate Americanese." Either that, or he's been reading my stories. :D
 

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Not that you don't know anything about your own stories. :flag:

Shall I stop now before I make it all much, much worse?
 
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