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Mr. Anonymous

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Okay, so I had this idea for a book.

Basically, I, the author, am a talk show host and in each chapter, I invite someone new to come speak with me (over an issue of social/political/economic relevance). It will essentially be a debate for each chapter... So for instance, if Carl Marx came onto the show, I'd argue against communism, and he'd argue for it.

My main question is, what would such a book be classified as? I'm not sure if it's fiction or not. I mean, essays are non-fiction, and I imagine each chapter as a sort of creative essay that shows both sides of the issue and finally comes to some sort of resolution.

What do you guys think?
 
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I think it has potential,

not quite sure where it would go, perhaps philosophy?

But I think there needs to be some over arching theme/plot. Perhaps it is an artificial intelligence trying to figure out the optimal government to choose for man (as the AI has now become our benevolent overlord). I dunno, something.

Anyways, I think it can work ,but the hard part I see is having great arguments.

Mel...
 

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They used to have a show like that. It was a meet the press type show where dead people like Karl Marx or Mark Twain would show up (actors dressed up) and debate a point. It was canceled quickly. I think that Norman Mailer's advice that a writer should never attempt to write about a character who is smarter then himself is a good piece of advice. I certainly do not think anyone here could do justice to a character like Ben Franklin, Karl Marx, or Einstein.
 

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They used to have a show like that. It was a meet the press type show where dead people like Karl Marx or Mark Twain would show up (actors dressed up) and debate a point. It was canceled quickly.
You may be thinking of Meeting of the Minds with Steve Allen on PBS. It was on for several years. Or there may have been another similar show; it seems like the idea has been used a few times.
 

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Sounds like philosophy to me? If you do comprehensive enough research that you know what your "characters" say is what they would have said, it's probably nonfiction.
 

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I like the idea - especially if you as the "talk show host" has a strong personality, definite opinions, or somehow stands out. I don't think there has to be a resolution at the end of each chapter - can't the reader decide for him/herself what the final opinion is?

It reminds me of a great book called Taking Sides, where both sides of all sorts of debates were provided. I liked the idea of reading both sides, and deciding for myself what's right for me.

I think your book would be creative nonfiction.....not really fiction, unless you start making up what your "guests" say.

Interesting to noodle on!
 

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Well, I think if it has a plot, it's fiction. If it doesn't, it's non-fiction. Where do Mitch Albom's books go?
 

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One thing I will say is you will have to really do your research. There are treatises on these people you are considering using, PhD's that have spent years studying every tiny aspect of their philosophies. What makes you more insightful than everyone else? (genuine question you should think about - not trying to be mean) There may be a place for a very simple version of this idea for a children's educational book to learn the basic theories behind these great thinkers, but if you are writing an adult book, you had better become an expert on all these people you plan on interviewing.

Oh and if you do do this book, you may want to consider "interviewing" a few women as well. Normally with these kinds of topics people automatically go to the famous male thinkers of the past, but there are some pretty impressive women out there as well.
 

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One thing I will say is you will have to really do your research. There are treatises on these people you are considering using, PhD's that have spent years studying every tiny aspect of their philosophies. What makes you more insightful than everyone else? (genuine question you should think about - not trying to be mean) There may be a place for a very simple version of this idea for a children's educational book to learn the basic theories behind these great thinkers, but if you are writing an adult book, you had better become an expert on all these people you plan on interviewing.

Oh and if you do do this book, you may want to consider "interviewing" a few women as well. Normally with these kinds of topics people automatically go to the famous male thinkers of the past, but there are some pretty impressive women out there as well.

This was another thing/problem I thought you would have.

Not to discourage you, but understand that you are trying to write POVs and arguments from the perspective of people who are probably 20 IQ points higher than you (assuming you are around 130)

It can be done, but yo've definitely got to do your homework + get some advisment from PhD types that know your characters inside and out.

good luck

Mel...
 

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This was another thing/problem I thought you would have.

Not to discourage you, but understand that you are trying to write POVs and arguments from the perspective of people who are probably 20 IQ points higher than you (assuming you are around 130)

It can be done, but yo've definitely got to do your homework + get some advisment from PhD types that know your characters inside and out.

good luck

Mel...

This is a very important piece of advice from Norman Mailer's book: Never try to write a character who is smarter than you are-- you won't succeed. He actually says never write a character who is anything "more" than you, more likable, more friendly, more evil. He said that people like Hemingway could get aways with it because they actually went out and did the things their character's did. I would find it very difficult to write about a genius because I do not know the feeling.
 

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I write about people smarter than me all the time -- it's not hard. ;)

I also write about people who can do magic, as do many others around here. Does that mean I need to be a witch?

Oooh, oooh, how about not a talk show but a game show, and Karl Mark, Che Guevara and Mao Tse Tung are the contestants, and the hyperactive host keeps asking them questions like "What song won the 1971 Eurovision contest?" *

Oh wait. Monty Python already did that.


* The answer, which Mao got, is "Sing Little Birdie." I knew you'd be wondering all day.
 

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Something you might want to look into: The Tournament - basically your idea except at a round-robin tennis tournament. "Novel" is in the extended title, probably to sidestep the exact issue you wonder about.
 

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Imaginary Conversations, by Walter Savage Landor, has a similar premise. It was first published in 1883; you can read it online at ProjectGutenberg.com.
 

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Hey guys, thanks so much for all your responses! They've definitely given me an ample amount to think about.

The idea was actually prompted by a creative assignment in English class. We read a book that was divided into sections on a number of philosophers and we had to write something that reflected what we learned about one of them. I did A Conversation with Karl. I got a 100. :p

I was thinking it would go under philosophy as well, but my issue here is that it could also technically fall under fiction... Especially if it has a plot tying all the debates together.

User Her Name- That's interesting, I had no idea there was something like that out there. Also a bit disappointing. And here I thought my idea was so original. lol.

To be perfectly honest, I'd have to disagree with Mr. Mailer. Writing is about imagination. Sure, we write best about the things that are familiar to us. But I think a writer should also be able to use his intuition to write about people in different circumstances than he as well. For instance, part of what makes Elie Wiesel's Night so powerful is that he actually lived through the holocaust.

And yet, I don't think living through the holocaust is necessary to write a book about it. One of the most highly praised movies of all time, Schindler's List, directed and produced by, if I recall correctly, Steven Spielburg. Spielburg didn't live through it, he was never in a situation similar to that of Oscar Schindler... And yet, he nevertheless connected with his story. I think a writer should be able to do that too.

Laurie PK- Taking Sides sounds interesting, I'll have to pick it up.

Toothpaste- Well, I'd definitely be doing my share of research here. But it wouldn't just be long dead philosophers (although those are always fun). I could switch it up a bit, possibly allowing for the debate of modern issues as well. So I'd have a debate with Sartre about whether or not existence really is absurd (gotta love Sartre) but I'd also have topics that will seem more applicable to peoples' lives as well.

I don't think I'm necessarily going to be more insightful than P.H.D's. But let's face it. How many people do you know who go out and pick up a philosophy book written by an Oxford Professor? Sure, he knows a lot. But a lot of these books (from my experience) are a bit, well, dry. I'm hoping to be able to turn it into something entertaining to read about.

And thanks for reminding me about women, I know there have been plenty of great female minds and I'll be sure not to overlook them!

THenry- That book sounds like a lot of fun! I'll definitely have to pick it up.

Icecreamempress- Gah, someone beat me to it by about a hundred years. Yeesh, that kind of hurts. Thanks for the link though, I'll definitely check it out!
 

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I think there is definitely a market for mainstream-friendly philosophy. It's true, a lot of philosophical works are very tangly to understand, or else we wouldn't still be discussing and arguing such old thoughts as those of Socrates and Aristotle. You'd just have to do your homework very thoroughly to be able to bring it down to a mainstream level (I'm sure you can do it :tongue).

As far as writing a genius when you're not goes, I think it's doable. Maybe it'd be tough to describe a genius character's insight when you believe yourself incapable of such an insight, but there are ways around that, and besides the genius insights, is such a person really much different on a day-to-day level from anyone else?
 

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As far as writing a genius when you're not goes, I think it's doable. Maybe it'd be tough to describe a genius character's insight when you believe yourself incapable of such an insight, but there are ways around that, and besides the genius insights, is such a person really much different on a day-to-day level from anyone else?
Studies seem to suggest that there is a certain fundamental difference between "geniuses" and the average person, like the difference between a Mac OS and Windows -- they're both operating systems for a computer (just like a genius and an average person are both humans), but there are fundamental differences in how they operate. Perhaps not, though. After all, if there were such fundamental differences, then it would probably be difficult for geniuses to write about normal people, but I'm sure they have.
 

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And yet, I don't think living through the holocaust is necessary to write a book about it. One of the most highly praised movies of all time, Schindler's List, directed and produced by, if I recall correctly, Steven Spielburg.

The movie was based on the 1982 Booker-Prize-winning novel by Australian writer Thomas Keneally, which was based on a lot of research including interviews with people saved by Schindler. (Keneally called it "a documentary novel," which is an interesting turn of phrase.)

Icecreamempress- Gah, someone beat me to it by about a hundred years. Yeesh, that kind of hurts. Thanks for the link though, I'll definitely check it out!

It was hugely popular in its day, and it inspired the Steve Allen "Meeting of the Minds" TV show discussed upthread. I think it's a sign you're onto something good!
 
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