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This last week alone I've read more than twenty instances of online plagiarism, where articles have been cut-and-pasted into writers' message boards without decent accreditation or proper acknolwedgement of their original source.

The only place where it has been dealt with, in regard to both the laws and the moral, "respect your fellow writer" issues, is here at Absolute Write. The mods here dealt with it very firmly, and not only edited the comments to cut the amount of material plagiarised and to provide a link to the original source, but explained on more than one occasion why such use was not allowed.

Everywhere else it's been allowed to pass without comment, at which point I've challenged it. Even then, it's been insisted that such use is acceptable because it's personal, non-commercial use (which is clearly isn't), and that if the owner of the piece wants to make a fuss, then they are free to do so (assuming, of course, that they find out, which they are unlikely to do unless I tell them).

Most of the works plagiarised came from news sources, although several were from writers' websites.

What are your views on this? Are newspapers and TV stations fair game for this sort of cut-and-paste plagiarism? Would you tell a national paper that their work had been used in direct contravention of their terms and conditions as they are, after all, great big organisations which won't be hurt by a bit of message-board cut-and-pasting? Do you consider the rights of the writer involved, and jump right in and inform them? Or do you think that it's not really your job to police the internet, and move quietly along?
 

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The boards I visit on a regular basis always provide links to the original story. If someone were to ever 'cut-and-paste' my work I would probably just ask that it be attributed back to my site. I think it's just a courtesy thing. Same with newspapers. All good to quote from them as long as you provide the link.

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I'm happy for my work to be quoted so long as it's as part of a new, longer piece--otherwise, why not just write, "here's an interesting piece about what Jane Smith thinks about plagiarism," and link to my original work, rather than cut-and-pasting it as it stands?

But if no link is provided, and little or no attribution is given, I get cross. It's just not good manners, is it?
 

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It's terrible manners, and I loathe it as sloppy, intellectually dishonest, and lazy as all heck. It's also pretty darned clearly NOT what the law means by fair use, nor is there any excuse not to cite sources. There's never, ever, EVER any excuse to deliberately represent someone else's words as if they were your own. That leaves "intellectually lazy and dishonest" territory and ventures into the brave country of "I'm a lying, cheating, stealing sonofabitch"

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Errr, if anyone needs me to clarify my position feel free to PM me. Sometimes I'm not as clear as I'd like to think I am.
 
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I think I'm a little fuzzy re: your position on this, Mac. Tell us how you really feel. :D :D :D



The non-attribution infuriates me. At best it's careless, thoughtless; at worst it's plagiarism. Is this one of those things that just isn't being taught or corrected anymore? I think it was in fourth or fifth grade that we were taught how to attribute and why.
 

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I haven't had any of my writing stolen and/or reposted (that I know of), but I have had many of my graphics redistributed without so much as a "Art by Abby." There's even a debateable issue of possible character design theft - though it's possible that we came up with the same thing at the same time... o_O
BUT I'm not clear on the laws surrounding such things. It's all well and good to get upset over obviously deplorable behavior, but when does it become illegal?
 

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I hate it when people claim a person's work is their own. People spend hours on pieces, only to have someone take five seconds and then claim it's belongs to them.

What's even worse is when they 'edit' the piece and completly twist the meaning. Then if anyone finds out who actually wrote the peice, it's usually them who looks bad and not the person who edited it.

I don't see why people can't just put in a link and if people want to read it they can. But that is obviously too simple
 

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Even when I get attribution (which is rarely), if someone copies and pastes an entire article of mine, I still serve them up a DMCA take down notice if they don't take it down of their own volition. For the most part, my material is taken down. Only once has it not been, and that was because the domain host was a shady fly-by-night one-person gig who probably just didn't give a crap. But I issued DMCA take down notices to Google for the adsense ads that were showing on that site, so the person who stole my content lost his revenue anyway. :D I'm just mean that way.

Now, had any of these sites quoted portions of what I'd written and then expressed their own opinion on things, it would have been a completely different matter. The people who copied my stuff did not in any way do that. They copied wholesale with zero discussion or opinion of their own and did not ask permission.

In other words, I probably feel a bit stronger on this than Mac does. Those lying stealing thieves...
 

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The trouble with Mac is that she tries so hard to not offend anyone that sometimes her meaning isn't quite clear...!

See? Here, everyone understands what's happening and realises how serious an issue this is for writers. Why is it that other writing sites just don't seem to get this?

Bah.

(I've blogged about this now, it's made me so cross.)
 

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I try to let the original poster know, if they are beliigerant or say it is okay I let the origianl author fo the piece know. Nothing shuts up the 'authors don't mind' quicker than the author signing on and telling them to cut it out.
 

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It really, really bothers me. I don't understand why people think it's just okay. I don't care who wrote it, they still put a lot of effort into it and to just steal it is wrong and without excuse.

When I was younger, I used to roleplay and if you know anything about roleplaying it's that you create characters. Depending on the site, some people put a lot of work into those. Well I used to belong to two different sites and going back and forth between those two, you wouldn't believe how many instances of plagiarism happened. Luckily, I got both admins to work together on stopping when they happened. They were always very good about it.

Why would admins not want to take care of it? Do they want a trashy reputation? And how can other writers do this to each other? They, above all, should know what it's like.
 

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What are your views on this? Are newspapers and TV stations fair game for this sort of cut-and-paste plagiarism? Would you tell a national paper that their work had been used in direct contravention of their terms and conditions as they are, after all, great big organisations which won't be hurt by a bit of message-board cut-and-pasting? Do you consider the rights of the writer involved, and jump right in and inform them? Or do you think that it's not really your job to police the internet, and move quietly along?

If it is a violation of your copyright material, by another writer, then bring them to task. If cut and pasting a media story, you can quote holus bolus, but this takes up bandwidth, especially a long, feature story. I understand that you can quote up to 10% of such an item, and then link to it for the rest.As to the rights of the writer involved with large media organisations, he is usually, unless stated otherwise, an employee. All employees have a contract which indicates that the copyright for all their written material (in the course of their work for that employer) belongs to the employer.

How much time do you have spare to 'police the internet'? Save the time and energy for your own work.That's why you wanted to become a writer in the first place, isn't it?
 

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How much time do you have spare to 'police the internet'? Save the time and energy for your own work.That's why you wanted to become a writer in the first place, isn't it?

On the whole, I don't police the internet. If I see repeated infringements of someone else's copyright then yes, I would report it; if my work was used without my permission then again, yes, I'd do something about it.

My problem with the instances that I posted about it here is that it's just so disrespectful. Writers copying other writers. Not nice at all.
 
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