Help! My idea just got used

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Hi all.

So I've been working on an idea for a novel for some years now, probably approaching three, but to a great extent, it is still an idea.

It has been my "next project" that has been working its way around my head for ages, but as soon as i finish one thing, i find myself with something else more pressing, and this idea remains little more than a well worked concept.

Anyway, about 3 or so months ago, i decided i would finally get round to it, and had just begun fleshing this thing out when a potential spanner got thrown into the works. A large big budget hollywood movie got produced with a strikingly similar backbone.

Although my novel and the movie take largely different directions, the "core" of both is based around a near identical theme.

Basically, the concept is that of an assassin who works for a highly secret and powerful group, who's leader is called "The Voice" and claims to be tasked by God with cleaning up his mistakes. Basically it's based loosely around the bible verse about each man being appointed once to die, and then face judgement, and how "god" might deal with those who attempt to escape that judgement. Of course, everything is not quite as it seems, and therein lies the primary mystery and conflict of the story, but at least at face value, it is VERY similar to the movie "Wanted" which is coming out soon.

In the movie, the protagonist is hired by a group of assassins to kill those who "the fates" determine must die. Basically "the fates" weave the fate of all mankind into a magical loom, and the protagonists in the move are then tasked with killing those who's time it is to die, and presumably, try to escape it.

The annoying thing is, i was somewhat aware of the comic book wanted, and although it would be a stretch to say it "inspired" my story, i did spend quite a bit of time looking into assassin stories (like this, Borne etc) to find my unique point, which i though i had, and the concept of "the fates" is completely new to the movie, and was not at all explored in the comics.

While i would not dream of suggesting that the producers "stole" my idea (how could they, it has basically only existed in my mind, and as notes on my laptop until recently) i would like to know what, if anything i should do next.

I always thought this one could be the one which got published (and the fact that hollywood was so interested in a similar concept suggests that maybe i was right) i don't want to invest a load of time and effort into this if publishers are just going to say "we can't print this, you've just ripped off that movie wanted", or if after it gets published hollywood comes after me trying to sue me... i can't possibly afford to take on hollywood.

Where do i stand? Am I legally okay to continue with this book? If I am legally fine, do you think any publishers will be interested in something so similar (At least at face value) to a new movie? Will i forever have to be defending my creation as my own, and explaining i started formulating the idea before the movie happened? or should i just write it off as a learning experience about procrastinating over "the big one" and move on?

Thanks in advance for your advice

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Well, wanted has been a graphic novel for quite a while now. If it hasn't bothered you up untill now, don't let the film bother you. Read the novel and just make sure yours is different enough. Good luck.
 

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You're idea was taken. So? IT doesn't matter, as long as you write the story of your own. It's not the ideas that make a good story it's how you execute it. I'm sure hundreds of stories are the same as yours, heck even my story is.

Don't worry about it. Ideas aren't like Yahoo email address is, you can't give up on that name if it's already taken.
 

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Reilly. Thanks for the reply

As i mentioned, i was somewhat aware of "Wanted" coming into this, and the although there are a handful of similarities (a fraternity of assassins, a certain affinity for the more theatric kills) the graphic novel touches on ideas of fate and destiny, but there is no mention of "the fates" or a larger power beyond the characters controlling peoples destinies, so the book never worried me. The problem is that in its move to the big screen the writers and producers added the thread about the weavers of fate determining the kills (probably to make the main character a little less villainous and more palatable for a mainstream audience... he is only following orders) which is also what my book is based around. It is this story element which made me a little hesitant to continue... after all, writing a full length novel is no small task, as i'm sure many of us know.

BlueLucario, thanks. That has given me a lot of confidence going forward, i will continue with it, it is only this thread which is similar, the way my book and the wanted novel/movie flesh out the idea are very different.

I will be sure to keep you all posted on the progress, i'm sure you'll be seeing much more of me round here... thanks for making me feel welcome
 
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I had the same thing with some silly film that included the fact that you can't be punished twice for the same crime. My MC, a policeman, was set up by his 'buddy' and spent fourteen years in prison for his murder. When he stumbled upon him, still alive ... well ...

So I've still entered my short story into a comp and get a 'commended' for it. But I thought of the idea first!
 

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Ideas are recycled all the time, from the basic boy-meets-girl on up in complexity. It's how you flesh out your version that matters. It can be a real kick in the teeth to find what sounds like your story in another context, but you just have to learn to duck and come back up writing.
 

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Your idea and that behind Wanted don't sound so similar to me that my mind would automatically jump to the conclusion that one was "inspired" by the other. Fates and "God" are in different ballparks in my head.
 

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The core of your idea was a secret powerful "mystical" force directed assassins. How many books or movies has that idea in some form come up? Hundreds? Isn't the whole Assassins given marching orders by secret/hidden societies really a part of common urban myth? I mean, you can insert your favorite secret/mystical society, but it is very is a well stewed idea.
 

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I just read the synopsis on RottenTomatoes.com. If they didn't worry about this:

Wesley Gibson. 25-year-old Wes (James McAvoy) was the most disaffected, cube-dwelling drone the planet had ever known. His boss chewed him out hourly, his girlfriend ignored him routinely and his life plodded on interminably. Everyone was certain this disengaged slacker would amount to nothing. There was little else for Wes to do but wile away the days and die in his slow, clock-punching rut. Until he met a woman named Fox (Angelina Jolie). After his estranged father is murdered, the deadly sexy Fox recruits Wes into the Fraternity, a secret society that trains Wes to avenge his dad’s death by unlocking his dormant powers.

being shockingly similar to the 'awakening' of Neo in The Matrix, then you shouldn't worry either.

Besides, I predict this movie will be completely forgotten by August 2008. ;)
 

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Ideas are cheap, and unprotectable. Your only recourse is to write the story so much better than the other guy that you win the competition.

Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace independently lit upon the concept of organic evolution at essentially the same time. Darwin was a far better writer for a public audience than was Wallace, whose writing was stuffy and academic. Guess which one we remember more vividly today.

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Well, shoot, I did a first draft of a novel and then saw the third Star Wars movie. Guess what! Hours down the drain.

The interesting part is that a writer 400 miles north of where I live actually sued the Star Wars people for plagiarizing his novel (I think it was the second Start Wars story) and he won. Seems he sent them the MS years earlier and he could prove it.

Ideas cannot be copyrighted but your story needs to be different enough not to have an author try to sue you.
 

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That sounds like a sweet idea! I'm not familiar with the Wanted graphic novel, but your idea sounds really cool!

I've been annoyed recently...my tagline for my series has recently been used for a movie coming out in December. I've used that tagline for YEARS and now they have it all over the place and ruined it for me. Very obnoxious. I guess I shoulda got off my butt and published my series sooner. Oh well. I'm not changing my tagline until somebody tells me too, if they will have to fight me for it.
 

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I'm going to disagree with the folks who say it doesn't matter. It sounds like you and Wanted share a similar take on the same high-concept idea, and that could be a problem. If Wanted tanks AND you can differentiate your take enough, then you might be okay. But if Wanted does well or even moderately well, then you could be in trouble. If I were you I'd strongly consider chalking this one up to bad luck and moving on to something else. If you had already spent years writing this I might say try to salvage it, but in this case you haven't started writing yet. You may have other projects that are equally saleable and haven't been treated by Hollywood.
 

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I'm going to disagree with the folks who say it doesn't matter. It sounds like you and Wanted share a similar take on the same high-concept idea, and that could be a problem. If Wanted tanks AND you can differentiate your take enough, then you might be okay. But if Wanted does well or even moderately well, then you could be in trouble. If I were you I'd strongly consider chalking this one up to bad luck and moving on to something else. If you had already spent years writing this I might say try to salvage it, but in this case you haven't started writing yet. You may have other projects that are equally saleable and haven't been treated by Hollywood.

A part of me agrees with that, but a part of me says not to worry about idea stealing and write the story your own way. If you make it an exact replica of Wanted, then that's plagarism. But it won't be if you add your own ideas, and make the story more unique.
 

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By the time your novel gets written and published nobody will remember the movie.
 

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Something similar happened to me last fall. I had been working on what I thought was a novel (no pun intended) take on an old idea, and had in fact gotten a positive response on the idea from an (if-he-decides-to-take-me-on-when-my-novel-is-complete-I-will-be-on-cloud-nine) agent I'd been fortunate enough to come in contact with (or darn lucky!).

A month later an AW member pm'd me with the release information for a movie that had a quite similar premise. Of course my heart sank like a stone and I scrambled to find out what I could about the movie. There were basic similarities but as far as I could tell, they were surface only. Even so, the surface similarities were enough that folks might think my wip was or might be a slight variation on a theme. It didn't help that the movie was a remake of a movie that had come out a few years before.

I truly thought I would have to scrap all of my work, but as it turns out that wasn't the case. First, I had never seen the original nor heard of it (foreign film), and as the release date for the remake got closer I watched the trailers and checked out the website to get a better handle on how close the projects were. I also found the storyline for the original and studied that to see if there were any issues. I then emailed the agent and asked him what he thought, and he graciously calmed my fears. :) I don't have his response in front of me but it was something along the lines of no new ideas, just new execution, and he even pointed out some old movies that I had forgotten about that likewise had a similar premise. I recall that he also mentioned something like the chances of the movie becoming a smash unforgettable hit and people thinking my book was a rip-off were pretty slim, and he was right. About the movie, I mean, book is still being polished up. :D The movie came out less than six months ago and is already on video. I haven't seen it and don't intend to until my wip is complete, just so I don't subconsciously muddy the waters.

I think the decision is yours. I know it is hard to tell if your wip and the movie share enough similarities that you may have to scrap or do extensive surgery, but as others have said, the timeline between the movie and your book's potential publication should be great enough to put some distance between them if the premise has you worried. And you can apply your wonderful writer's imagination to make them different enough as to not invite comparison.

Even better, maybe the direction the movie takes will spark an innovative direction in your own wip that even further distances it from the movie.

JMVHO, best of luck to you with whatever you decide.

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Every idea you will ever have has already been an idea. Don't let that stop you.
 

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From the MPAA: "Rated R for strong bloody violence throughout, pervasive language and some sexuality."

Since there's not "Rated R for nudity involving Angelina Jolie" I wouldn't worry about anyone remembering this movie after this year...
 

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You should be able to tweak your story enough to differentiate it. Put your mind to it -- you'll probably improve on the original concept.
 

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Hasn't this story basically been around forever, already? GHOSTRIDER among other stories springs to mind. But this is actually a good thing, because it seems there is always a market for this recycled thread. I hope it isn't your only idea.

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I've had this happen, and it is frustrating. However, you can't let it deter you. Write your book and make the idea your own by being creative. One idea can have a thousand faces. ;)
 

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Boy meets girl, familes feud and the kids die:
Pyramis and Thisbe --> Romeo and Juliet --> West Side Story ad nauseum.

No such thing as an original idea, just how it's presented
 

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Isn't almost everything a variation on the Hero Quest? Check out Joseph Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces. Details are what make or break a story, after the basic framework.

Make sure you do your research to avoid unintended similarities (and change what you must) and keep writing. If like-minded themes were a problem, there wouldn't be the million variations on vampires (and were-animals) novels currently in print.
 
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