The Age Banding Issue

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Have you seen some of the coverage of the "Age Banding" issue in the UK press and on various blogs? One blog also asserts that "Age Banding" will lead to a two-tier system because big name authors don't want recommended ages on their covers, so books with age bands will be seen as "lesser" books. There's also a No to Age Banding site with a lot of supporters. This has even hit SmartBitches.

The controversy probably came to the attention of many when Philip Pullman (in the first article linked above) learned that his publishers were going to put age recommendations on their children's books. He objected to this, and the publishers said they would never do anything without his consent. Many other writers also object to the process. Some say that putting an age on a book is like telling people who aren't in that age range to "stay away" from the book. Also, many point out that a reluctant reader who is reading below their age level won't want to pick up a book that is labeled as being for younger kids. However, others say that it's a guide to parents, grandparents, and others who want to buy a gift.

When I saw some of this coverage, I was confused. Don't many children's books in the U.S. already carry a recommended age range? I looked up some random books on my shelf. The first one I checked was an older copy of a Joan Aiken book, and it had a discrete "9-12" on the back cover. Ella Enchanted also had an "8 and up" on the back cover. And Aiken and Cushman seem to do pretty well. :) On the other hand, some major children's publishers don't put a recommended age on the cover, and they seem to do well, too.

Do you think putting ages on children's books in the U.S. has had any effect on how those books are treated, how they are bought, who reads them, etc.? Do you think the publishers would be better off without those labels? Do you think it depends on the type of book? Or is this simply one of those controversies where everyone has good points?
 

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Good points. For children's books, though, I think age banding is needed. I mean, if Harry Potter was age banded a huge number of sales could have been lost.
 

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Good points. For children's books, though, I think age banding is needed. I mean, if Harry Potter was age banded a huge number of sales could have been lost.
I think that like Pullman, Harry Potter is a great example of a book that would probably not get an age band anyway.

Interestingly, I think Penguin is one of the publishers that doesn't put ages on its children's books, even in the U.S. market. And Penguin is based in the UK. Could this be a UK versus US thing? I've never heard of U.S. writers being upset about the ages being on books. (Then again, in the U.S., the practice predated the Internet by decades, so nobody was blogging about it. :D)
 

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I think it's stupid beyond belief.

Not all books fall into neat little age categories.

What band should go on Alice In Wonderland?
They probably wouldn't put a band on the classics, or on books that they know are read by many age groups. There are a lot of books (like Alice in Wonderland, Harry Potter, Philip Pullman, etc.) that are read by people of all ages. Publishers would hesitate to label those as they're considered "For All Ages."

I always got the impression that the labels were concerned more with reading level than with anything else. Books in the U.S. used to use grades rather than ages. And some children's books don't include an age, but if you look inside, the copyright page will tell you the Flesh-Kincaid level or something like that. This helps teachers and other educators more than parents (as most parents don't know what the numbers mean).
 

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I think a sign of a good author (e.g Rawling) is a book that can be read and enjoyed by almost all ages. I would agree that age banding limits the audience.

I am 22 and am an avid reader of a variety of things ranging from university psychology textbooks, fiction intended for the 9-12 age group, and young adult books. I will read romance if they are family-oriented and have a strong story. I also enjoy stories about alternate universes (e.g The Giver, the Ender series) If the book catches my interest, I will read it regardless of the intended age level. I have seen some picture books that have powerful meanings despite their simplicity (e.g Giraffes Can't Dance, All Cats Have Asperger Syndrome).
 

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Interesting dilemma. As a reading teacher, I'm very used to labeling books according to the reading level, and I know the power of matching kids to books they can be successful with. But one of the goals of literature is to transcend constraints like time, age, gender, society.... To capture truths that apply universally.

One of the reasons it's taken me so long to become a good writer is that I spent my teens and twenties trying to grow up. I've always loved children's literature the best, but I thought that was a problem. I couldn't bear to get rid of the best of my books, so I hid them in the closet for years. In college, I worked in a bookstore and secretly read all the kids' books, but I never bought any.

So I can certainly see reluctant readers avoiding the books they could read, just because the cover says "9-12" and they're 13. But they probably already avoid those books because of the subject or cover art seeming too young.

What I find really interesting is how some books get re-graded. A new edition comes out, and suddenly it's marketed for a younger or older audience. And prose tastes change over time. Many of the classics are written at a more challenging level than modern ones. For example, Beatrix Potter books are considered fourth to fifth grade reading level these days--but a first grade interest level. So as teachers we read them out loud but don't expect most kids to be able to read them independently.

I think age-banding could be a lot more complicated than they realize!
 

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Age banding: deeply stupid.

Firstly, kids develop reading skills (among other things) at different ages, so the bands aren't going to be particularly accurate or helpful. Secondly, as Jud says, banding that is below the reader's age will put them off and invite derision from their peer group - what happens if the third book in a trilogy you started reading when you were 10 comes out when you are 14? Banding that is above a reader's age will put off gift purchasers. Thirdly, many good books for kids are appropriate for wide age ranges - this proposal will narrow the market for their authors, if the kids a year older or younger than the stamp on the cover are put off. Fourthly, publishers will be encouraged to perform all sorts of gymnastics to get the banding that they think will bring in the most money. Look at what happens with movie certification. It's unnecessary. Fifthly, what's the big deal about 'age appropriateness' anyway? If parents are so paranoid about what their kids are reading, they should be reading the books themselves, rather than relying on a voluntary code administered by the marketing departments of publishers. (If a book is just too hard or complex, it'll keep on the shelf for a year or two.) Sixthly, editors will end up combing through manuscripts with a laundry list of age-restricted content like a god damn board of censors. That isn't why I got into the business.

I could go on.
 

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They probably wouldn't put a band on the classics, or on books that they know are read by many age groups. There are a lot of books (like Alice in Wonderland, Harry Potter, Philip Pullman, etc.) that are read by people of all ages. Publishers would hesitate to label those as they're considered "For All Ages."

Would novels like Alice in Wonderland have become classics in the first place if they had been originally read solely by children? The boundaries between 'children's fiction' and 'adult's fiction' have become much more strictly circumscribed since the time in which this novel was written, and printing age bands on covers is an extension of this trend. Pullman's and Rowling's novels had had bands printed on them originally, would they have become so popular amoungst "all ages"?

I personally feel that to band fiction is to limit it - to be honest I feel that sometimes even classifying fiction rigidly by genre is inacurate and limiting, as many novels effectively stradle more than one genre, and to put them in one closes them off to devotees of the other.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that fiction needs to be opened to the widest audience possible, people limit themselves enought through their own tastes and grasp of their own reading level without publishers corsetting them further.
 

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And I think Nat meant "Alice in Wonderland" as a type of book, not something specific...


I too think "vastly stupid"

Age banding works for movies and video games...but movies and video games aren't books. Unless they're Planescape Torment, which is more book than video game. Bah!

Age banding is just another excuse for parents to not be involved in their kids lives, if you believe a half asleep rant by a crotchety 18 year old. Cuase if there's a banding, you don't need to actually know what your kids are reading...grumble grumble...lazy parents...bah...grumble...
 

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I didn't even realize age banding was controversial until I read this thread and accompanying links, but frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it. Usually the age range is in small print at the bottom of the back cover. As JudScotKev said, the subject matter and cover art usually convey the intended age range for the book anyway. I think age banding is a guide for parents and teachers who don't have time to read every single book that their child reads. True, all children progress at different rates, but the ranges are pretty broad. Just my opinion...
 

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My problem with age banding is that while it is a useful guide for parents and teachers, it's not helpful for the people who actually read the book, i.e. the children. Specifically, if a child finds reading difficult, so that they're reading books deemed suitable for their age bracket or even, in the case of kids with dyslexia, a lower age bracket, it separates them from those kids who are more advanced, reading 'up' into the next age bracket.

My concern is that age bracketing will therefore discourage precisely those kids who we should be trying to encourage to read because they will deem themselves to be 'stupid' or a 'baby' when compared with their classmates.

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I heard an NPR interview with David Macaulay and when asked what age he writes his book for he said, "61 years old." He writes his books for himself. I went to his website and all of his books had various child and teen ages attached.