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Oasilhael

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http://www.publishamerica.com/PressRoom/profiles.asp

It doesn't take that long to figure out which "particular writer's forum" the author here is referring to in her long rant. During my [lurking] time here, I know that most of her complaints are exaggerated and sometimes completely false...but is there any basis for what she's saying? Any comments?
 

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Unfortunately, she doesn't know much about how real publishing works so the bulk of her message is mired in misinformation about the roles of editors. I've worked as an editor, both content and line editing, and it always surprises me how little the general public understands about the job.

As for her rant against this forum, she obviously didn't do a lot of exploring. She encourages those of us who post here to help the community and teach others about writing. Guess she missed Uncle Jim's thread in Novels or Jenna's in Non-Fiction. She also claims we spend "hours" each day posting here. Exaggeration is so helpful when you have a weak point, isn't it?

Does she have any basis in truth? Sure. We would indeed like to see PA shut its doors permanently. We'd love to stop seeing writers victimized by those bottom-feeders. Do we want to harm authors? Absolutely not. Do we all have "divisive and toxic personalities and goals?" I haven't met anyone like that but if she said it, it must be true about all of us!

She also makes the familiar mistake of thinking all of AW is made up of disgruntled PA writers whose greedy souls aren't happy with their sales... sorry, "sells". I never had a book printed by PA and there are a bunch of others just like me. And down goes Frazier!

Pretty much the only thing she got right was that we do want to see PA put out of business. The rest is balderdash and poppycock.

-- Joanna
 

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actually, the fact that PA would put UP such drivel points out the unprofessionalism of the company as well... you won't see any legitmate publisher allowing one of their "authors" (because, well... let's face it, PA authors are more or less clients.) to rant and rave in public.

hope she gets a clue and figures out there's life after PA... and works on becoming a better writer using the resources here.
 

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Truthfully, that PA author's comments defer to the common misconception among PA authors that criticism of their publisher will result in low sales for their books, so it's imcumbent upon all PA authors to never say anything bad about their publisher. Likewise, it's imcumbent upon them to also oppose any criticism, whether it be valid or not, from outside sources.

Looking past that one author's comments, there are some other comments by former PA authors who are no longer happy with PA. Regardless, PA has seen fit to leave their words there as if their existence will somehow counter anything those particular former authors might have to say later. I certainly find it strange that PA would even want to acknowledge that the author once thought well of PA since doing so shows that something serious must have occurred in order to drive a wedge so large between them. In other words, PA is actually adding to the credibility of those authors' criticism in other venues. Legitimate publishers tend to ignore such matters instead of making it more visible. Just goes to show how shallow and lacking in confidence PA really is.
 

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My concern is the "you're entitled to your opinion except when it disagrees with mine" swipes she makes. However, she does have a hint on how publishing actually works, but it's so mired in the proPAganda machine she can't see it.
 

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Oasilhael provided this link: http://www.publishamerica.com/PressRoom/profiles.asp

Further down on that page is a OLD comment by Argile Stox.

For those individuals who are new here might wish to read more recent comments by Argile about his experience with PA. You can find some of them at the following sites:

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/06apr/article075.html

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/06mar/article097.html

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/06mar/article062.html

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/06feb/article227.html
 

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Publish America now has a return policy available to all bookstores, through Ingrams. That effectively erases one of the complaints.

PublishAmerica's discount on returnable books is only 5%. That effectively renders the discount useless.
The second, I find rather amusing, since it is the responsibility of each writer to repeatedly edit their work, before sending in the final draft.

Real publishers have real editors who genuinely edit their books. Simple typos are only the most obvious sign of poor editing. Work on the deeper structure is where real editors earn their living. Ms. Fields' amusement only shows her lack of understanding of publishing.

It is not the editors job, of any publishing company, to scour over a sloppy manuscript, and then return it to the author to make corrections on those areas marked in red.

Sloppy or not, yes, it is.
Publish America has always been professional towards me. They have proven themselves to be worthy of my trust, as my publisher.

So, how much have you paid them? How many copies of your own book have you bought?

These books offer the general public a place of refuge within their bindings, simply because a reader is able to feel the compassion and encouragement through the words of the author.

Not the general public. The general public isn't PA's market. The author, and the author's family and friends are the market -- and they already know about the authors' struggles.
 

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Well, if the manuscript is really that much of a mess, what reputable publisher would accept it anyway? Again - the lack of logic astounds me. If most of them read what they wrote, (maybe out loud for good measure), maybe they'd see how weak and illogical their arguments are.

Or maybe not - depends on how potent the Kool Aid is, I guess.
 

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PA posting some author's rant about negativity towards them is the ultimate in unprofessional ism. This looks like something you'd see on someone's MySpace page.

And what does it say that this person read the thousands of posts and still backs up PA? And she pends most of her blog post repeating the attacks on us while spending very little time actually debunking anything we've said. Also she says everyone has a right to free expression yet she wants us to shut up.

Hell who am I kidding, odds are she's a PA employee or possibly Miranda herself.

Some highlights:

Publish America now has a return policy available to all bookstores, through Ingrams.

That's great, but this policy means nothing as bookstores will NEVER order the books except on special order for individuals and those usually don't get returned.

The second, I find rather amusing, since it is the responsibility of each writer to repeatedly edit their work, before sending in the final draft.

No it's not, publishers also need to participate in the edi...........oh who am I kidding we've beaten that dead horse to the point where it could be considered desecrating a corpse.


How many of us, during our college years, did not edit our research papers and expected our professors to do it for us?

This is so ignorant it hurts. The professors were the READERS. Readers aren't supposed to edit. Professors are not publishers.

However, I have also noticed that even the books of the well known authors do have spelling errors in them. Most books have some sort of typographical error somewhere in the text.

Sure they do, but nowhere near as many as PA books do. Why? Because those books by well known authors were edited both by the author and editors.

But let's assume it IS the author's responsibility to edit, PA should then reject them if they don't.

It is also widely known that Publish America takes those that have overcome tremendous challenges, and puts their voices to print. This is powerful, especially for myself, since I am a survivor of domestic violence.

Lots of people were victims of domestic violence, that doesn't mean they deserve to be published.

Again, I am proud to be an author with Publish America. The simple resolution to this situation, in my opinion, is for those that seem to be so heavily disgruntled to simply seek out a publisher that better accommodates their needs and wants as a writer.

Don't worry, we will.

I do respectuflly, yet firmly, request that those individuals that are obviously displeased with Publish America consider that they are not simply expressing their opinions, but rather fiercely ripping apart the hopes of many Publish America authors, as they endeavor to reach out to those that are hurting and in need of support, comfort, and encouragement

You've got it backwards. PA s the one exploiting these authors and hurting them, not us. There have been countless authors who were spared being PA victims due to this site.

A few other bits from others there:

From Lynn Barry
On coping with rejections from other publishers: I had worked on "Puddles" for nearly seven years, sending it out to publishers and getting it back. After so many rejections, I relaxed and said to myself, "Wait a minute. Let's make it the best it can be." And that's when PublishAmerica came in. It was great. They really made me feel wonderful about my book.

Question Lynn: If you built a car in your garage from scratch and it never would run even after seven years of tweaking, what would you do? Would you keep working on it or would you jsut take it to the race track and run it anyway? If you went with the latter, you'll find you'll get to race but you will still lose.

From Argile Stox:
On book sales: Each royalty check you receive is a complement and a validation of your hard work. Remember that someone you don't know actually paid cold, hard cash to purchase your book - and took a chance on reading an unknown author's work!

If you got "someone you don't know" to buy your PA book then you're in the minority.

And lastly, from Femi Olawole:
On why he chose PublishAmerica: PublishAmerica offers a worthy pedestal for every aspiring author to showcase their literary and intellectual capabilities. They offer a refreshing, friendly aura of creativity that welcomes every author with an ambition to be read.

Wait, EVERY author? I thought PA didn't just publish anything submitted to them.
 
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cethklein, look upthread to Marie's post to see what Argile Stox now thinks of PA.

It looks like that page dates to sometime in 2005. I'd be curious to know what all those quoted think of PA now.
 

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The posts I referred to in my earlier message http://www.publishamerica.com/PressRoom/profiles.asp are posted as a PA Author Profiles. The writer of the first one states, "Because this is my blog" and goes on to make her statements. There's really nothing in that post giving a profile of that author. And the same is true of the rest of the posts on that page.

Everyone so often someone starts a thread on the PAMB offering their publisher a pat on the back and it's my opinion that the posts on the page I referred to were probably pulled from those threads.

While I've seen copies of mail from fans on the websites of some major publishers in the past; those correspondences pertain to the books they have read and the reader's enthusiasm for the author's works. I have never seen another "traditional" publisher who found it necessary to post its authors' accolades in an apparent effort to boost its reputation.

The product they put out should do that for them.
 

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Other publishers, editors, agents, etc., probably like to be thanked in the author's acknowledgments, where the public will read them. Because the public is reading the book.

Unusual idea, I know.
 

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Other publishers, editors, agents, etc., probably like to be thanked in the author's acknowledgments, where the public will read them. Because the public is reading the book.

Unusual idea, I know.

Ah, yes, the reading public. I have never understood why the deliberately ignorant (and I do not include all PA authors in that phrase; many are simply ignorant) feel they have extended support, encouragement, advice, consolation, wisdom, a good read, whatever, to the reading public if the public will never know the book was ever written. The public will never know because PA will never tell them. PA has no business plans, practices, or finances budgeted to tell them. It has nothing to do with the book, the writer, circumstance, God, fates, bookstores, the elitist publshing world, or horrid, lying, jealous, nasty toady bugs like us - it has solely to do with the publisher that doesn't exist.

Someone may have 20 books printed by PA. They still have no books published. They have no publishing credits or experience. Why do so many feel compelled to give silly advise after even 1 or 2 books? I don't understand...

OTOH, I don't think I want to understand. :D
 

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Publish America now has a return policy available to all bookstores, through Ingrams. That effectively erases one of the complaints.

Not all PA books are returnable. The ones that PA deems returnable are not automatically listed as such. The author must email a request to Author Support *cough* in order to get their book listed as returnable. PA’s discount to bookstores is 5%. They also charge a 10% restocking fee if the bookstores wish to return any books. That EFFECTIVELY causes the bookstores to lose money and EFFECTIVELY erases any chance for PA books to obtain shelf space.

The second, I find rather amusing, since it is the responsibility of each writer to repeatedly edit their work, before sending in the final draft.

Amusing that PA pays minimum wage to students to run a manuscript through spell check and calls this editing? Amusing that those same students cause more errors to be added into the manuscript?

How many of us, during our college years, did not edit our research papers and expected our professors to do it for us? None.

HUH? If I didn’t think you serious, this would be funny.

It is the same for an author. When an individual has written a book, it is their masterpiece.

Rut roh, I feel a golden pen syndrome lecture coming on.

It is not the editors job, of any publishing company, to scour over a sloppy manuscript, and then return it to the author to make corrections on those areas marked in red.

First off, a sloppy manuscript would go from slush pile to trash bin at a trade publisher. At PA, they are accepted, run through spell check, and turned into an unreadable book.

Second, it is the job of editors, at all legitimate publishers, to scour a manuscript and make it the best it can be. And they bloody well don’t use spell check. What the heck do you think they do all day? Answer the Author Support emails? That only happens at PA.

It is my belief that the editors job is to simply read over it, to assure that there are no major corrections still needed.

Yup, that’s what professional editors do. They take their shoes off, put their feet on their desk, and settle back for an enjoyable read, while sipping champagne and eating toast points laden with Beluga caviar.

The authors of Publish America are everyday individuals, with hearts of compassion, that have taken the courageous steps to put the tragic events of their lives onto paper, in order to help support and encourage another individual...even if only through the pages of a book.

Too bad no one but the author’s family and friends (and a handful of people the author doesn’t know) will benefit from the author’s words.

I do respectuflly, yet firmly, request that those individuals that are obviously displeased with Publish America consider that they are not simply expressing their opinions, but rather fiercely ripping apart the hopes of many Publish America authors, as they endeavor to reach out to those that are hurting and in need of support, comfort, and encouragement.

Has the orchestra stopped playing? I need a box of Kleenex.

I also respectfully, yet firmly, request that you learn about the real world of publishing before you lure another writer into PA’s scam vanity publishing net. And they aren’t opinions, they are facts based on how the real world of publishing operates. It’s really quite black and white. If a publisher derives their income from their authors, they are a vanity press.

PA is a vanity press.
 

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Yup, that’s what professional editors do. They take their shoes off, put their feet on their desk, and settle back for an enjoyable read, while sipping champagne and eating toast points laden with Beluga caviar.

Brian, now look what you did! I spewed Dom Perignon all over my custom-made ergonomic keyboard! *snaps manicured fingers* Cabana Boy! Come here and replace this keyboard. Oh, and make sure my next toast points are made with seven-grain all-natural artisan bread. Sheesh. A fabulously wealthy editor just can't get good help nowadays.

*re-lurks to keep plugging away at real wage-earning job in real life*