Still not sure if my work qualifies as thriller

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This is a bit long. I have a few questions at the end.

When I was first trying to decide what genre I wrote in, "Thriller" seemed the closest. My characters are in peril, there are extremes of emotion, crimes of passion or fear, pursuit, quite a bit of running around. I am discovering that most books claiming to be thrillers seem to be about private detectives, or spies. I had always thought of a thriller as something of an open field, instead of specifically about people trying to solve mysteries or crimes. Now, I am thinking that I must write "Suspense" I guess because although there are crimes and running around, and certainly the threat of personal injury from bad guys, the stories I am writing deal mainly with deeper discoveries and understandings about ones self.

When I first looked up the meaning of thriller, I felt that my novels were in that category, just as "a Room With A View" is essentially a mystery/thriller, but is also a costume drama/love story, and a few Hemingway books were mysteries or thrillers, and yet were love stories as well. My confusion is what to do with a novel that crosses many boundaries. I am also beginning to think this might be of the same ilk as a romance novel but one like "Cold Mountain," or "The English Patient." This adds to the confusion.

I may be confused because since I am in the midst of writing it, and did not set out to label it at the get-go, and did not follow any specific guidelines (a thriller must be written thus...) I find myself in areas where one type of fiction predominates. Yesterday, I wrote a hard-hitting fight scene, but the day before it was a tender love scene.

I've started to collect books that are "like" my book. Cold Mountain, The English Patient (has more war/spy related stuff), The Great Gatsby, The Sun Also Rises. All typical "doomed love" stories where the hero engages in a struggle for the love object? Question: Are these Romance Novels? I'm not trying to make trouble, these are fabulous books and I am a first-time novelist. It's just that they cover similar ground. (Action/adventure + doomed love).

I was wondering if any other "thriller/suspense" writers have the problem writing books that could work under many different genres. As well as anything anyone might have to say about my problem.

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The definition of a thriller is this;


Thriller/Suspense:

The dramatic conflicts of thrillers/suspense are fraught with peril: a life-threatening danger that jeopardizes the protagonist, his or her loved ones, or even the whole world. The stakes are often large—death and destruction to lives, the downfall of an entire nation, an ecological disaster. However, thrillers can also simply portray riveting psychological tension between two opposing characters. Thrillers and suspense fiction are paired together because thrillers often utilize suspense elements in the development of the story—evil lurking just around the corner that motivates the protagonist to hunt down and capture the villain-at-large.

Although both thrillers and mysteries often involve the protagonist solving a crime and bringing bad guys to justice, the central conflict of thrillers/suspense focuses on developing an urgent sense of imminent jeopardy rather than solving a mystery or the detection of a crime. Thriller/suspense protagonists must win at all costs against a menacing, pernicious threat—or else things are going from bad to worse, and fast. Subgenres include psychological, supernatural, military, espionage, political, medical, legal, erotic and literary thrillers. Thriller/suspense is also included in the general grouping of “genre fiction,” “category fiction,” “mainstream” fiction,” or “mass market fiction.”

If your story line is about self-discovery but still has the above elements it might be a literary thriller- I am still not sure about all the sub catagories myself, so maybe someone with more knowledge will chime in.
 

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I highlighted the parts of the definition that pertain.

The definition of a thriller is this;


Thriller/Suspense:

The dramatic conflicts of thrillers/suspense are fraught with peril: a life-threatening danger that jeopardizes the protagonist, his or her loved ones, or even the whole world. The stakes are often large—death and destruction to lives, the downfall of an entire nation, an ecological disaster. However, thrillers can also simply portray riveting psychological tension between two opposing characters. Thrillers and suspense fiction are paired together because thrillers often utilize suspense elements in the development of the story—evil lurking just around the corner that motivates the protagonist to hunt down and capture the villain-at-large.


I'm going to say "no" to the last part. The protagonist is not trying to capture and turn in the villain at large. In sense, the bad guy is behaving as though the protagonist is the villain at large. His motivation is to rid himself of a rival and convince the love interest that he was really the right guy for her (while behaving like an insane stalker, and beating the stuffing out of her new boyfriend, the protagonist who wants nothing to do with him). There might be something of "The Fugitive" in it. Innocent suspect due to circumstantial evidence, must run for his life.

Although both thrillers and mysteries often involve the protagonist solving a crime and bringing bad guys to justice, the central conflict of thrillers/suspense focuses on developing an urgent sense of imminent jeopardy rather than solving a mystery or the detection of a crime. Thriller/suspense protagonists must win at all costs against a menacing, pernicious threat—or else things are going from bad to worse, and fast. Subgenres include psychological, supernatural, military, espionage, political, medical, legal, erotic and literary thrillers. Thriller/suspense is also included in the general grouping of “genre fiction,” “category fiction,” “mainstream” fiction,” or “mass market fiction.”

Yes. This is why Thriller/suspense seems to work so well. I have concentrated on taking the jeopardy from a 27:1 long shot of being maimed or killed to a 1:1 chance or lower. I personally would not bet on my character making it through the end.

Writing this has actually created a new Idea, which has got my creative juices jumping around. My main character is already somewhat unlikeable. He's mean, cocky, and a handful. Few people like him. The "villian" on the other hand is a party animal and a go-to guy. He is loved by everyone. I just thought that I should write the parallel story (like an every other chapter thing, from his POV) in which I make him into a sympathetic character, (the lovers cheated on him at first), and then watch him slowly descend into revenge, and possible murder via jealousy and "madness" (willingness to kill to get what he wants).

I hadn't actually thought about telling his side of the story. I had really kept it to only the character set that was involved in the main story. After all, in the DaVinci Code, the "other side" was seen.

Hmmm. That might work...
 

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I have a similar problem with categorizing my novel. The hero is an anti-hero. To most people, he would be a bad guy. The heroine is admittedly skirting the edge of sociopathy. Everyone is a criminal in some way, though they all have different reasons for it. Their working together is a combination of mistake and accident. Sure, if they don't take out the bad guy he's going to take out the heroine, which adds urgency, but if she hadn't gone after his operation (for very good reason) to begin with, he wouldn't have sent people after her and none of the characters would ever have met.

It's crime fiction, but instead of solving one, they're planning and will commit it. Where does that sort of thing fall?
 

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I have a similar problem with categorizing my novel. The hero is an anti-hero. To most people, he would be a bad guy. The heroine is admittedly skirting the edge of sociopathy. Everyone is a criminal in some way, though they all have different reasons for it. Their working together is a combination of mistake and accident. Sure, if they don't take out the bad guy he's going to take out the heroine, which adds urgency, but if she hadn't gone after his operation (for very good reason) to begin with, he wouldn't have sent people after her and none of the characters would ever have met.

It's crime fiction, but instead of solving one, they're planning and will commit it. Where does that sort of thing fall?

cool and well thought out, when you need a beta reader, call me
 

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just as "a Room With A View" is essentially a mystery/thriller

What? How is A Room With a View a mystery or thriller?

but is also a costume drama/love story

Again, I'm confused. Are you talking about the book by E.M. Forster? Because that's not a "costume drama" or a "mystery" or a "thriller."

and a few Hemingway books were mysteries or thrillers

Again, no. I'm really confused by how you're defining "mystery" or "thriller" in any way that would include anything by Hemingway other than his short story "The Killers".
 

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I was sort of wondering that, myself, but as I can't find a flat out definition of thriller, I am not one to assign it to a work. (Then again, my best friend being a top Hemingway scholar keeps me from making any assessments of his work at all. :))

My question still stands, does crime fiction fall in the same genre as thriller? I know for a fact that my book is not a mystery. I just need to figure out what category it falls into before I start the query process.
 

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My question still stands, does crime fiction fall in the same genre as thriller? I know for a fact that my book is not a mystery. I just need to figure out what category it falls into before I start the query process.

Well, it could be "crime fiction" if it's a look inside a criminal's life. The same people represent crime fiction as represent mysteries. Sometimes the genre is called "mystery, crime, and suspense" to be more inclusive.

Think about, for instance, the Ripley novels by Patricia Highsmith. Or the Keller books by Lawrence Block. These are books about criminal activity from the point of view of the criminals, not the detectives, but they're still shelved with (and sold by) the "mystery" market.

On the other hand, it could be a "thriller" if it's all about action--being on the run. Think about something like Six Days of the Condor or The Bourne Identity.
 
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I've seen things listed as "crime thriller". This might fall there. As Empress said, the same agents typically represent mystery, suspense, thriller and crime ficiton.
 

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Thank you! I can now stop wondering about that and get back to writing. Husband says there needs to be a murder soon, so off I go to write one.
 

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This clarifies things for me. Somehow, I thought "thriller" and "suspense" are different. I just didn't know how. :)
 

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A thriller tends to have some kind of ticking clock such as the main character having to uncover something before something terrible happens.

I've had some trouble deciding whether my own novel is a thriller or a mystery but finally realized that, even though some may consider it a thriller, I myself consider it a mystery as there isn't that ticking clock element.

The focal point instead, is on the main character investigating something that happened to his child.

If he had to learn this information before someone went to the gas chamber then I'd call it a thriller. He doesn't. So it's a mystery.