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There are a few key scenes in my WIP that I have written with several variations. I'm curious whether any of you have suggestions as to how best to work with beta readers when you have multiple takes on an event. Do you give them one, include a group and ask for preferences, rip your hair out and give up, or is there a secret writer approach (the one you learn with the special handshake)? In one case the differences are not excessive, in another they make significant changes to the tone of the ending.

(And by taking the time to write this I have successfully avoided working on my very stubborn beginning yet again. Please, please let the fairy of good first chapters come to visit me and spread her sparkly fairy dust of inspiration all around my dusty keyboard so that one day I can actually have betas.)
 

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If the differences are small, I'd just suck it up and make the decision myself. If it's significant and involves the ending, I'd sent out the one I preferred (you HAVE to have preference, right?) and then say, "I have an alternative ending and I'd like your opinion, if you don't mind having a peek."

Betas are volunteering to read our work out of the goodness of their hearts (or so we'll read theirs at some future date). It's best not to take advantage of their time, if you can avoid it. And, frankly, some decisions are just the author's to make.
 

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I'm just beginning to work with betas, so I don't have a tried-and-true method yet, but... I'd advise making an executive decision about as many of those scene variations as possible. If there are still one or two scenes where two versions seem work equally well, you might give half of the betas a Word file with Scene Version A and half a file with Scene Version B, and then perhaps pointedly ask your betas about that scene. (When you e-mail them, say something like, "I've been struggling with the fight scene at the end, so if you have any specific comments on that, I'd love to hear them" -- without hinting that there are two versions of it.)

Just a thought. I think doing this with more than one scene could end up being a headache for you once your betas start returning comments to you.

IMO, betas are best used for looking at a very-close-to-polished draft. Anything below that and I think you're veering into critique partner territory rather than beta reader territory.
 

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Perhaps there is a question of correct terminology here. I am talking about someone willing to read from point A to point Z of a carefully revised manuscript and provide feedback. I am happy to call them Lord and Master, provided they are willing to fulfill that role.

I appreciate your suggestions and your concern over misuse of readers. I've enjoyed reading for others and have a low tolerance for rough work so I'm less worried about passing on something unfit for evaluation. My concern is with the gap between how situations have developed in my head and how they have translated onto paper. I'm leaning toward going with the strongest and seeing what comes of it, although I like the idea of offering alternate versions to different readers.

(It may be that I'm spent too much time in science, worrying about appropriate test and control groups. It's obviously skewed my view of the world.)

In any case, once I have reached a point where I feel I have something worth reviewing, I would like an opinion on two areas that are consistently sticky. One involves violence and a concern about an appropriate degree of description. The other is a question of whether a character is presenting as passive or peaceful, based on the words actually written rather than my imagination. My experience, admittedly with poetry and not novels, is that a lot can change in the journey from head to paper to reader. It's less about abdicating authorial responsibility and more about accepting the limits of my own readings.

Thanks again.
 

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I think if you present these questions to your beta readers, you might be surprised how willing they are to help you out by focusing on exactly those aspects that you're unsure about.

Tell them what you've just told us, and give them the option of taking the time to help you with it or not. You never know if you don't ask.

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Oh, I didn't mean to sound like there was a set of hard-and-fast rules for what a beta reader's duties are. What you outlined, Juniper (reading a carefully revised manuscript and providing feedback), definitely falls into the beta reader spectrum. I've had a number of different beta reader experiences, and it's interesting to see how each writer interprets what they want from their readers. Some just drop the manuscript at you stone cold -- no synopsis, no pitch paragraph, no "here's what kind of feedback I'm looking for," nothing. Some have given me a full-on questionnaire to fill out when I finish reading. Both approaches are totally okay with me. And I did have one experience where what I thought would be innocuous beta reading turned out to be a full case of book doctoring. (But that was my fault for not being assertive enough to tell the writer to go back and revise another 5 times before sending me her draft. In all fairness, she offered to pay me when I was finished.)

My concern is with the gap between how situations have developed in my head and how they have translated onto paper.
Yup. This is basically what I'm looking to have elucidated by my beta readers, too. In my case it's dealing with a whole cabal of characters I've been developing for over 15 years. They've become very real to me, and I'm hoping that even a small percentage of that realness comes across to the reader. Nervewracking, to say the least.

I hope your beta experience goes well!
 

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This would depend on my relationship with the beta reader. I belong to a crit circle and I'd just give them my best shot. But I also have a beta reader who's not part of the circle, who's been working with me for years, and who's the best reader I know. I'd ask her if she was willing to look at a couple of versions.
 

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Satori, it sounds like we are in similar places, with the notable exception that my characters only really moved in within the last year and I have a relatively small cast. I hope you find their realness has made the jump from head to page! It will be nervewracking for me once I get there.

DL and dawsinor, I was just thinking about your suggestions and it occured to me that part of my problem is a control one. It makes far more sense to just ask for opinions and go from there but it leaves room for "hey, I think you should do X," X being an option that I don't actually like but that makes sense. All part of being a rank beginner and trying to figure out what process is going to end up working for me.
 

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In one of my novels I had the same issue where I had several alternative endings to a scene and wanted the strongest one-- the problem was that every beta reader had a different idea of what was the strongest or more appropriate ending-- there was no real consensus. My suggestion is keep the other scenes handy and use the one YOU like the best- then if there are suggestions from betas that indicate a problem address it then.
We often think that different solutions to a scene can be arranged from good to better but many times they are all just different...
If that makes any sense.
 

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Yes, it does make quite a bit of sense. I have been doing my best to ignore the fact that it may be less of a "which is correct" question and more of a "what am I trying to write" question. I have a plot that could be very streamlined and happily in the science fiction/fantasy realm and characters who want to stop and ponder the meaning of existence in an entirely literary fashion. The question of peaceful vs. passive is more honestly one of which approach takes precedence.

Thanks to everyone, its been great to have some company puzzling through my thoughts.
 

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There is a thread under Beta readers (in the conference room area) discussing what the job entails. I would say someone willing to read and provide specific feedback on a fairly polished piece of work. Think of them as test drivers, very kind and (hopefully) helpful ones.
 
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