Forbes: Why We’re Holding Those Who Lied For Trump Accountable

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That bastion of liberal foment, Forbes, has this to say about holding Trump minions responsible.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randal...holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/

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From Day One at the Trump White House, up has been down, yes has been no, failure has been success. Sean Spicer set the tone with the inauguration crowd size – the worst kind of whopper, as it demanded that people disbelieve their own eyes. The next day, Kellyanne Conway defended Spicer’s lie with a new term, “alternative facts.” Spicer’s successor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders lied at scale, from smearing those who accused Trump of sexual harassment to conjuring jobs statistics. Her successor, Stephanie Grisham, over the course of a year, never even held a press conference, though the BS continued unabated across friendly outlets. And finally, Kayleigh McEnany, Harvard Law graduate, a propaganda prodigy at 32 who makes smiling falsehood an art form. All of this magnified by journalists too often following an old playbook ill-prepared for an Orwellian communication era.

As American democracy rebounds, we need to return to a standard of truth when it comes to how the government communicates with the governed. The easiest way to do that, from where I sit, is to create repercussions for those who don’t follow the civic norms. Trump’s lawyers lie gleefully to the press and public, but those lies, magically, almost never made it into briefs and arguments – contempt, perjury and disbarment keep the professional standards high.

So what’s the parallel in the dark arts of communication? Simple: Don’t let the chronic liars cash in on their dishonesty. Press secretaries like Joe Lockhart, Ari Fleischer and Jay Carney, who left the White House with their reputations in various stages of intact, made millions taking their skills — and credibility — to corporate America. Trump’s liars don’t merit that same golden parachute. Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.

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God bless Forbes and all who write for her. This is really the only kind of punishment Trump's lying, double-dealing enablers will take seriously - cutting off their careers.
And, by stating it so publicly, anyone who does hire them is going to get raised eyebrows, as well.
 

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I'm amazed at how many publications and news outlets are considered to be "leftist" these days: Forbes, WSJ, The Economist, and of course NPR (which couldn't even bring themselves to single out Trump's horrific behavior at the first "debate" for a while and ran headlines that made it seem as if they thought the bad behavior was symmetrical), the Christian Science Monitor, USA Today, Reuters, and so on.

Holding people accountable for the roles they played in spreading lies shouldn't be about what party one belongs to. A very few Republicans seemed to get this, even before the election. I wish more did. I don't know how all this will play out in the court of public opinion. How many Americans see these thugs as heroes instead of criminals? How many conservatives have had their eyes opened to what their party has become?
 

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How many Americans see these thugs as heroes instead of criminals? How many conservatives have had their eyes opened to what their party has become?

You're definitely not alone in asking these questions. A Reuters poll found 79% of respondents describe Wednesday's insurgents as "criminals" or "fools."[1]

What disturbs me is how the national conversation doesn't seem to acknowledge how close we came to seeing the mass assassination of our elected officials live-streamed. While I am glad to *finally* see right-wing extremism getting hit with consequences (Twitter banning Trump, the FBI actively arresting the insurgents, and Forbes' article here, among others), I am worried that these consequences aren't going to be strong enough to deter a repeat -- and there are certainly people in power calling for there to be, effectively, no consequences. [2]

As far as everything that isn't in lock-step with Moscow Donny being labeled leftist, I firmly believe this is the result of far-right (and specifically fascist) efforts to dominate political conversations. As a monolith, places like /pol/ still see leftism as a spectre (to borrow from a phrase) and think that will scare everyone else the way it scares them.
 

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That bastion of liberal foment, Forbes, has this to say about holding Trump minions responsible.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randal...holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/

There are a couple of surprises there for me.

And finally, Kayleigh McEnany, Harvard Law graduate, a propaganda prodigy at 32 who makes smiling falsehood an art form.
That is shocking to me. Elle Woods (Legally Blonde) with a dark heart?

This was interesting for a financial periodical:
Don’t let the chronic liars cash in on their dishonesty. ...Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.
 
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You're definitely not alone in asking these questions. A Reuters poll found 79% of respondents describe Wednesday's insurgents as "criminals" or "fools."[1]

Glad to hear it's that high. It suggests that a significant number of Republicans don't approve and haven't been sucked in so far by the right-wing justifications of this attack. I do wonder, though, how many still blame the Left as well for "stealing" Trump's election.

What disturbs me is how the national conversation doesn't seem to acknowledge how close we came to seeing the mass assassination of our elected officials live-streamed.

Indeed. That gallows in front of the Capitol was allegedly for Pence, and I don't get the impression they were planning on hanging him in effigy.

Interesting how the hate can be re-focused so quickly on a former ally now regarded as a traitor. Hope some politicians have learned from this.

While I am glad to *finally* see right-wing extremism getting hit with consequences (Twitter banning Trump, the FBI actively arresting the insurgents, and Forbes' article here, among others), I am worried that these consequences aren't going to be strong enough to deter a repeat -- and there are certainly people in power calling for there to be, effectively, no consequences. [2]

They likely won't be. Adding to the problem is the fact that any punishment is going to be taken as more "persecution" by the grievance-centered, seditious Right, and there are still so many making false equivalencies with looters at BLM protests and this group of thugs whose primary purpose was to violently halt our democratic process and even murder some of our elected leaders or hold them hostage. But these people must be held accountable for what they did, and certain political leaders should be held responsible for encouraging and inciting them. They are, in essence, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, but the theater is our country, and the cry is "stolen election."

As far as everything that isn't in lock-step with Moscow Donny being labeled leftist, I firmly believe this is the result of far-right (and specifically fascist) efforts to dominate political conversations. As a monolith, places like /pol/ still see leftism as a spectre (to borrow from a phrase) and think that will scare everyone else the way it scares them.

Their favorite phantom is Antifa, always held up as if it were a cohesive anarchist-socialist organization with leaders, rather than being a diffuse bunch of individuals who oppose fascism. Since they can't deny or justify the numerous organized White Nationalist and reactionary, anarchistic groups on the Right, they create a "straw organization" they hold up as an example of the "left being even worse" they can blame for everything from looters to starting wildfires.

I do hope that Trump's willing sycophants find that his "brand" becomes a career-halting poison pill, even if most can't be held legally accountable. I suppose it's a vain hope, as they can likely end up in far-right think tanks or lobbying, or as far-right media personalities, even if any future political ambitions they may have had are quashed.
 
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When are people going to realize that 'antifa' is an abbreviation of 'anti-fascist', and that if you are anti-antifa, you are, therefore, pro-fascist.
Funny, once the US was proudly known for fighting fascism.
 

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If you hire liars, you are doing so because you plan to lie, ergo anything you say will be presumed to be a lie unless proven true.
The idea that anyone could think otherwise is mind-boggling.
It's even more mind-boggling that, as far as I know, this is the first time that any news reporting service has adopted this principle.
 

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When are people going to realize that 'antifa' is an abbreviation of 'anti-fascist', and that if you are anti-antifa, you are, therefore, pro-fascist.
Funny, once the US was proudly known for fighting fascism.

Well, if you support fascism in the US, the most effective thing you can do is to villify those who oppose it as marxist hooligans and to tie it in with a prominent social justice movement that makes many Americans nervous for reasons they don't want to state openly.