Question for UK wedding celebrant

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Hello! I'm hoping some lovely English AWer is a wedding celebrant, or close to one. Google has been quite unhelpful!

My London-based characters need to discover, roughly 2-4 weeks after their wedding, that they're not legally married. My question is: what ways could their celebrant have botched something in the paperwork or during the ceremony itself, or maybe forgotten to lodge something, that would render the marriage invalid? Even if it's a quick/easy fix, the characters just need to learn they're not married when they thought they were.

Anyone able to assist, I greatly appreciate it and thank you in advance!
 

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Marriage laws differ in the different UK countries. Also marriage laws have changed recently so people will need to know when your story's set. There have been quite significant changes in terms of who's allowed to conduct legal marriages, where they can be conducted etc. In the past it was just churches and the registry office - and also synagogues if I recall correctly. And captains of ships when at sea. But more recently they've legalised Islamic weddings and a few more religions, and certified some other buildings to allow weddings to take place there. Plus the fairly recent legalisation of gay marriage. And these various changes may or may not have occurred in all parts of the UK, and not occurred at the same time. Gay marriage in Northern Ireland was only legalised Jan 2020. I'm English and I honestly don't know which bits of marriage laws are the same outside of England or completely different most of the time.

One example of the law differing by country: currently in Scotland humanist marriages are legally recognised but in England they're not. https://humanism.org.uk/ceremonies/non-religious-weddings/

I'm not a wedding celebrant. I'm just English. I could be wrong about the stuff below but I think it's important to consider what readers may find believable, even if you've got the technicalities correct, as this would affect how you explain things in story.

I've never heard of what you describe happening and I've read a lot of real life/personal experience stories, articles, documentaries etc over the years. Also, to discover only after 2-4 weeks and it being an issue that's easily fixed just doesn't sound plausible for how things are. If someone wants to get their own marriage annulled on the grounds that it didn't meet the legal requirements at the time, AFAIK there's a legal process for that which is usually done formally by one of the spouses, so the scenario where someone just turns up and says "by the way your marriage isn't legally recognised" just doesn't seem like something that could happen.

I quickly looked this up on Wikipedia and found this for the law in England and Wales:

England and Wales provides for both void and voidable marriages.[5]

Void marriage: spouses are closely related; one of the spouses was under 16; one of the spouses was already married or in a civil partnership


Voidable marriage: non-consummation; no proper consent to entering the marriage (forced marriage); the other spouse had a sexually transmitted disease at the time of marriage; the woman was pregnant by another man at the time of marriage


Section 13 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 provides for certain restrictions in regard to the possibility of annulling voidable marriages, including where the petitioner knew of the "defect" and of the possibility of annulment, but induced the respondent to believe that s/he would not seek an annulment; or where it would be "unjust" to the respondent to grant the decree of nullity. There is usually a time limit of three years from the date of the marriage in order to institute the proceedings.[36]

NOTE: I don't know how up-to-date Wikipedia is.

ALSO NOTE: in England unless they changed it recently (they may well have done!), if you are aged 16-17 you need parental permission to marry. This was not the case in Scotland hence teenagers eloping to Scotland to get married has been a thing for decades. There's even a registry office just north of the border that's famous (infamous?) for this type of wedding. I'm not sure how that works in terms of automatically anulling a marriage, if a parent can annul the marriage of their 16-17 year old child if it took place in England.

ALSO: Closely related would have to be closer than 1st cousins because 1st cousin marriage is legal, AFAIK it's legal in the whole of the UK. So they'd have to be siblings, parent/child etc - very close, for the marriage to be declared void. I have heard of people finding out that they are siblings separated at birth who only found this out after being married, and their marriage subsequently declared void - but that's not an issue that's easily fixed!

Voidable means that the marriage wouldn't be automatically invalid but that you could apply to have the marriage annulled.

I think if there has been a paperwork error they would correct it but it wouldn't annul or void the marriage. They'd still be legally married but the registrar would have to correct the paperwork.

If they got married at a venue or with a celebrant that wasn't legally able to marry them in law, they wouldn't be able to sign the register or give them a marriage certificate. All parties would know in advance that the marriage isn't a legal one and that they'd have to go to the registry office to be legally married afterwards. This has been a thing for many years for Muslims and many other religions and evidently still is a thing for English humanists - and I suspect a number of minority religions such as pagans. Although I couldn't say for sure as I don't have the list.

If they thought they were getting a legal wedding and weren't they could find that out a couple of weeks later. But the celebrant would have to be extremely negligent and both spouses very naive for that to happen. It might even be considered fraud if someone's given the impression that they can conduct a legal wedding when they can't as presumably money would have changed hands in the process.
 
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Thanks for such a detailed response, neandermagnon! It's a contemporary setting, and as per post takes place in England.

So the gist I'm getting is, it doesn't sound like it's even possible for a celebrant to forget to sign/notarise something important enough to invalidate the marriage, because the spouses signing the register is what effectively 'seals the deal'?. Well, that throws a spanner into the works. I don't think my characters are stupid/careless enough to engage a non-legit celebrant, so I might have to rethink this whole idea. Thank you again!
 
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Thanks for such a detailed response, neandermagnon! It's a contemporary setting, and as per post takes place in England.

So the gist I'm getting is, it doesn't sound like it's even possible for a celebrant to forget to sign/notarise something important enough to invalidate the marriage, because the spouses signing the register is what effectively 'seals the deal'?. Well, that throws a spanner into the works. I don't think my characters are stupid/careless enough to engage a non-legit celebrant, so I might have to rethink this whole idea. Thank you again!

That's how I understand it. You sign the official papers and get your marriage certificate and you're married. If someone wants proof of marriage you show them the marriage certificate*. But I would probably still advise double checking everything before abandoning the entire plot.

*the registry office will keep a record of this

Just thought of another resource, dunno why I didn't think of this before - the gov. uk website may help https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate - that's the page for reording lost marriage certificates however they might have other info on the site that helps your story

https://www.gov.uk/marriages-civil-partnerships - info on marriages and civil partnerships in England and Wales
 
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They could unknowingly be half-siblings, where dad had an affair. That introduces a whole bunch of drama though, which may be more than you need.
 

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By and large, a marriage is not invalid due to technicalities in most countries. Idea is to discourage sham marriages. Classic example is a guy gets a buddy to officiate a marriage to the girl the guy wants to screw. Buddy does the "marriage," guy gets his, and then tells girl his buddy can't preform marriages and therefore they're not married. More likely than not, if it looked like a marriage, guy is going to discover he's legally married.

But there's a classic way to make a marriage invalid in the writing world. Couple gets married and then one of them discovers that their divorce hadn't been finalized, usually for some stupid reason. As bigamy is not some minor technicality, the marriage is invalid.

Jim Clark-Dawe
 

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But there's a classic way to make a marriage invalid in the writing world. Couple gets married and then one of them discovers that their divorce hadn't been finalized, usually for some stupid reason. As bigamy is not some minor technicality, the marriage is invalid.

Hmmm... this could actually dovetail very nicely with my premise (though I'm pretty sure you have to show proof of divorce, so I wonder how much incompetence would have to be involved?). Thank you!

Interestingly, I've also just learned that celebrant-officiated weddings in England have no legal standing at all - the spouses must register their marriage separately, via a statutory ceremony in a Register Office, to make it legally binding - so I'm toying with ways I might make that work too.
 
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That would stretch my disbelief, Ellis: every civil-officiated wedding I've been a guest at has the registrar present, and signing the register is an important part of the ceremony.

Some civil weddings even take place at the registry office itself - I remember when civil marriage was first introduced that this was partly how people described the wedding itself. "Was it a church do, or a trip to the registry office?"
 

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Far fetched but: The bride is still unconscious from her hen party the night before the wedding. Her maid of honour, already married, puts on the dress and veil and goes through the ceremony in her place, rushing away back to the brides room, after the ceremony. The friend is able to rouse the bride before the wedding feast starts and get her suitably dressed. She tells her that she managed to get through the ceremony and is married.
 

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In my experience most people won't do the stag/hen night the night before the wedding. It's often an entire weekend and they will give themselves sufficient time to recover. Back in the 70s or thereabouts before hen nights were a thing, stag nights would involve the groom's mates taking him out the night before but these days they're a lot more organised and involve things that need to be booked in advance, e.g. hotel stays. The best man or maid of honour will organise it without the stag/hen knowing what's being organised and they tend to be planned quite meticulously, e.g. if a pub crawl is involved the route/pubs will be planned in advance. And as people have to go to work and stuff, weekends are favoured. Usually 2-3 weeks before the wedding as the best man and maid of honour would be expected to help with the wedding planning as well. And people don't want to be hung over on their wedding day.

Note: I'm working class from SE England. These things may differ by region or social class. (That's a standard disclaimer for literally everything about British culture.)
 
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That would stretch my disbelief, Ellis: every civil-officiated wedding I've been a guest at has the registrar present, and signing the register is an important part of the ceremony.

Some civil weddings even take place at the registry office itself - I remember when civil marriage was first introduced that this was partly how people described the wedding itself. "Was it a church do, or a trip to the registry office?"

Hmm, I appreciate your insight (and my apologies for this late response!). The various celebrants' websites I read explained that the register signing can take place on a different day before or after the ceremony, but it absolutely makes sense that most people would choose to incorporate it into the wedding day itself. Thank you!
 

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Far fetched but: The bride is still unconscious from her hen party the night before the wedding. Her maid of honour, already married, puts on the dress and veil and goes through the ceremony in her place, rushing away back to the brides room, after the ceremony. The friend is able to rouse the bride before the wedding feast starts and get her suitably dressed. She tells her that she managed to get through the ceremony and is married.

Lol, hat's off to anyone who can make this idea work!
 

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In my experience most people won't do the stag/hen night the night before the wedding. It's often an entire weekend and they will give themselves sufficient time to recover. Back in the 70s or thereabouts before hen nights were a thing, stag nights would involve the groom's mates taking him out the night before but these days they're a lot more organised and involve things that need to be booked in advance, e.g. hotel stays. The best man or maid of honour will organise it without the stag/hen knowing what's being organised and they tend to be planned quite meticulously, e.g. if a pub crawl is involved the route/pubs will be planned in advance. And as people have to go to work and stuff, weekends are favoured. Usually 2-3 weeks before the wedding as the best man and maid of honour would be expected to help with the wedding planning as well. And people don't want to be hung over on their wedding day.

Note: I'm working class from SE England. These things may differ by region or social class. (That's a standard disclaimer for literally everything about British culture.)

This rings true for me. I'm not British, but I've never attended a hens party that wasn't at least several weeks before the wedding day.
 

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The only other scenario I can think of that would work is if one of the parties was previously widowed, but the "dead" spouse turns up. It's hard to prove a death without an actual body, though. Perhaps a ferry accident, or an explosion, or an avalanche, where not all the bodies were recovered.
 

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The previous spouse ran off, faking their death so that the MC wouldn't follow them. But, the person they ran off with/to turned out to be A Bad Person, so now they've come back at the most inconvenient time (wedding day).
Any use? At least this way the person getting married thought, in good faith, that they were okay to re-marry.