Trump Wants to Delay Nov. Election
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He lacks the power to do that. I believe Congress can, and no, Congress will not.
This could be one of two things:
* Trump talking out his ass like usual, or
* a ploy at an election talking-point ala, “Republicans are concerned about voter health in this crisis, Democrats aren’t”
It’s entirely possible Trump thinks he does have this power, and it’s entirely possible his complicit DOJ and the complicit GOP-controlled Senate will try to make it happen, but there’s no way the courts will agree.
Also, obviously, the ploy depends on voters forgetting who consistently talks down allowing mass mail-in ballots, but assuming Trump’s base is stupid and/or willfully ignorant has worked well so far.
BTW, Biden called it back in April. I remember seeing pundits calling him paranoid for suggesting it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/24/joe-biden-donald-trump-delay-election
Edited to add: And of course, this is probably part of his narrative in November that the election was fraudulent.
This could be one of two things:
* Trump talking out his ass like usual, or
* a ploy at an election talking-point ala, “Republicans are concerned about voter health in this crisis, Democrats aren’t”
It’s entirely possible Trump thinks he does have this power, and it’s entirely possible his complicit DOJ and the complicit GOP-controlled Senate will try to make it happen, but there’s no way the courts will agree.
Also, obviously, the ploy depends on voters forgetting who consistently talks down allowing mass mail-in ballots, but assuming Trump’s base is stupid and/or willfully ignorant has worked well so far.
BTW, Biden called it back in April. I remember seeing pundits calling him paranoid for suggesting it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/24/joe-biden-donald-trump-delay-election
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Edited to add: And of course, this is probably part of his narrative in November that the election was fraudulent.
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Yes, my main concern is that he's setting everyone up for a very chaotic election. I feel like no matter the outcome, it's going to go to the Supreme Court and who knows what they'll do. Things are going to get very bad, I think. That's not to say we can't come out of it, but I don't think this will be anything but a very chaotic election and (hopefully, please, oh, please) transition of power.
I think it's likely New York State could charge him with something after he leaves office. So, he's not leaving office kindly.
I think it's likely New York State could charge him with something after he leaves office. So, he's not leaving office kindly.
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A chaotic election is likely to be the best-case scenario.
I've been saying for a while that he'll do anything, absolutely anything, to avoid stepping down. Would he nuke a city in California, pretend Canada did it, start a war based on this lie, and "postpone" the election indefinitely because we're at war? ...I wouldn't put it past him.
The details may differ, but he's being backed into a corner, and cornered animals attack with everything they have. He's dangerous.
I've been saying for a while that he'll do anything, absolutely anything, to avoid stepping down. Would he nuke a city in California, pretend Canada did it, start a war based on this lie, and "postpone" the election indefinitely because we're at war? ...I wouldn't put it past him.
The details may differ, but he's being backed into a corner, and cornered animals attack with everything they have. He's dangerous.
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He's talking out his ass and I'm not ruling out any crazy thing happening. He can't delay the election, he will try to monkey-wrench and incite violence, YMMV may vary if this makes him strong and powerful or if he's just a disordered creep whining when he looks at the numbers.
I'm putting low odds on Trump losing the EC and remaining in the White House even one minute after 12:00am on January 20th. There are a lot of 'what ifs', some get a little silly for me.
I'm putting low odds on Trump losing the EC and remaining in the White House even one minute after 12:00am on January 20th. There are a lot of 'what ifs', some get a little silly for me.
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They didn't cancel/postpone the election for WW1/1918 flu pandemic or for the Civil War, where literally half of the country was, you know, not there anymore. They're not going to postpone it for covid.
Oh, look where he's got that idea!
Jared Kushner Won’t Rule Out That Trump Could Try to Delay the Election
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...ule-out-trump-delay-election-2020-coronavirus
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Jared Kushner Won’t Rule Out That Trump Could Try to Delay the Election
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...ule-out-trump-delay-election-2020-coronavirus
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Keep in mind Trump craves attention, and, like in 2017, as he expected defeat he was already manufacturing in his mind the fantasy of being defeated by fraudulent votes.
He has said outrageous things during his whole campaign and presidency. So it should be no surprise he has said yet another outrageous thing that will spend yet more time in the news cycle.
And he clearly expects defeat**. I'm not so sure how much I plan to worry about the GOP getting Trump reelected by voter suppression and shenanigans. It's possible. We should remain vigilant and fight against this crap for reasons much bigger than Trump.
I don't believe for a minute Trump has the power to stay in office once he loses the election.
We should worry about the flurry of activity McConnell and Trump are going to try to carry out during the lame duck period.
And I don't know what his cultists will do if he claims fraudulent votes lost him the election. Hopefully not much.
**He probably fluctuates between the insecurity he will lose with the narcissism that he will win.
He has said outrageous things during his whole campaign and presidency. So it should be no surprise he has said yet another outrageous thing that will spend yet more time in the news cycle.
And he clearly expects defeat**. I'm not so sure how much I plan to worry about the GOP getting Trump reelected by voter suppression and shenanigans. It's possible. We should remain vigilant and fight against this crap for reasons much bigger than Trump.
I don't believe for a minute Trump has the power to stay in office once he loses the election.
We should worry about the flurry of activity McConnell and Trump are going to try to carry out during the lame duck period.
And I don't know what his cultists will do if he claims fraudulent votes lost him the election. Hopefully not much.
**He probably fluctuates between the insecurity he will lose with the narcissism that he will win.
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It was only a matter of time before he said something like this. Covid gave him an easy excuse. Not that it can or will happen, but it completely makes sense that he would throw that idea out there. He throws everything out there to see what sticks.
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Has there ever been a delay of a national election during a war, pandemic or other disaster?
There's no way a POTUS could be allowed to delay an election, because any incumbent who was down in the polls would surely delay the election, perhaps indefinitely, until their numbers improved or there was an armed insurrection. Tropico, anyone (the computer game)?
I'm not sure even congress can do this, because otherwise a congress where both houses were under control by the President's party could delay the election if they looked to be losing. If they tried, it would certainly be a matter for the courts to rule on, and the SCOTUS has already ruled against extending mail-in ballot deadlines in a single state.
He's blowing more smoke out of his ass. Whether it's a calculated attempt to sow more discord and mayhem, or whether it's a trial balloon, or whether it's another example of him flapping his mouth mindlessly (as with the bleach injection "thought" he had), who can tell?
There's no way a POTUS could be allowed to delay an election, because any incumbent who was down in the polls would surely delay the election, perhaps indefinitely, until their numbers improved or there was an armed insurrection. Tropico, anyone (the computer game)?
I'm not sure even congress can do this, because otherwise a congress where both houses were under control by the President's party could delay the election if they looked to be losing. If they tried, it would certainly be a matter for the courts to rule on, and the SCOTUS has already ruled against extending mail-in ballot deadlines in a single state.
He's blowing more smoke out of his ass. Whether it's a calculated attempt to sow more discord and mayhem, or whether it's a trial balloon, or whether it's another example of him flapping his mouth mindlessly (as with the bleach injection "thought" he had), who can tell?
Coincidentally the announcement accompanied bad economic news. That should be a clue this is nothing more than a distraction.
Rollingstone: Economy Tanks, Trump Suggests Delaying Election - The GDP plummeted a record 32.9 percent in the second quarter
Rollingstone: Economy Tanks, Trump Suggests Delaying Election - The GDP plummeted a record 32.9 percent in the second quarter
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This. He's clearly trying to bury the news of the worst economic downturn ever in US history happening on his watch.
Whenever he says something especially outrageous, look around to see what's really happening. Many times he's just trying to drown out the news cycle.
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This, and I kind of wonder if the outpouring of love and attention at John Lewis's funeral is something else from which he wants to steal headlines. If so, it ain't working. Tributes to this brave man dominated the news cycle tonight.
Definitely!
He wasn't invited to the party and all the other presidents were there (Carter sent a letter). That must be eating at him just a little. And Obama gave the spotlight speech. Trump has to be fluctuating between fuming and denial that it matters or that he cares.
Wonder what he's going to do about Cain's funeral if anything? Here's a man that died believing in Trump's imaginary world. Trump has already denied Cain was infected at the rally. Given all the research coming out about superspreaders, I really wonder if anyone sitting around Cain was also infected?
Tulsa News: Are we seeing infections from Trump rally? 'Connect the dots,' Tulsa health official says
Everyone at John Lewis' memorial/funeral had masks on except when they were on the podium speaking.
A number of people in Oklahoma are blaming BLM protesters. I don't know about Oklahoma but everyone I've seen in the news marching have had masks on.
Everyone at John Lewis' memorial/funeral had masks on except when they were on the podium speaking.
Republican MA Governor Charlie Baker says no to delayed election. He also supports mail-in voting for all voters. It was recently signed here in MA. I received my application for mail-in voting and sent it back for all elections this year.
Baker was polite about Trump at the start of Trump's term. Now Baker's dislike is public and obvious.
On a personal note, I was not a fan of Baker's when he was elected and did not vote for him. His handling of Covid and criticism of Trump, his policies and BS has earned Baker my support and vote in the next election.
Link-Boston Globe
Baker was polite about Trump at the start of Trump's term. Now Baker's dislike is public and obvious.
On a personal note, I was not a fan of Baker's when he was elected and did not vote for him. His handling of Covid and criticism of Trump, his policies and BS has earned Baker my support and vote in the next election.
Link-Boston Globe
In related news... :-/
[h=1]Washington Post: USPS workers sound alarm about new policies that may affect 2020 mail-in voting[/h]
[h=1]Washington Post: USPS workers sound alarm about new policies that may affect 2020 mail-in voting[/h]
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I just registered to vote by mail in Chicago, where we will have the option of mailing in our ballots or sealing and dropping them into secure drop boxes at early voting locations.