Dem 2020 Race: The Road to Super Tuesday

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I’d agree that candidates shouldn’t have to release literally all medical records, that potentially gets into some really thorny issues. But he did say he would, and now he’s not, so people who don’t like him anyway are calling him on it.

The question was worded around the ability to sustain the stressful environment that is POTUS and the surrogate answered in 2 ways: 1) whatever Sanders had is now fixed, and 2) that Sanders it not going to release "everything under the sun".

It's a misleading answer to a very important question. As noted above, saying that "whatever bought Sanders to the ER is now fixed" says absolutely nothing about his health condition and how he could handle stress in the future.

That said, Sanders will become POTUS or die trying. My bets are on the second option.

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Biden is on track to win South Carolina, Amy isn't on track to win anything. Why should Biden drop out and not Amy?
in 2 South Carolina polls released on Wednesday, Biden leads in one by 2 points and is tied with Sanders in the other.
i don't think anyone will drop out before Super Tuesday, but Biden's numbers have been falling. Klobuchar's have been rising.
As long as there is a chance for a brokered convention this summer most of the candidates will stay in - hoping to be the compromise candidate.
 

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On CNN today, his surrogate said something to the effect of "Sanders has the right to some privacy".
Nobody has 'the right to privacy' when they aspire to be President. As they say, 'Leader of the Free World'. Not for their finances, not for their health.
And people should have learned from Trump: if you can't get the reports when they're running, and eager to please, they're certainly not going to release them later.
 
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I will not vote for a billionaire. Ever. That is all.

I’d prefer not to vote for a businessman/woman either. I really hate the notion that government ought to “work like a business”, so Bloomberg fails on that score for me too.
 

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I will not vote for a billionaire. Ever. That is all.

Is there a specific net worth where you have a cutoff, for example, someone with assets of 500 million is fine, but not 1 billion? 100 million, 50 million?

In my case, I cannot vote for a candidate who believes if you start a business and it grows to be valued at more than $30 million, that the US treasury should seize a percentage of your personal property every year / force you to sell off your own business until your holdings drop below $30 million again. I was shocked to learn that anyone considers this idea rational. Even the leftist economist who invented the wealth tax has stated he feels the rates proposed by Bernie and Warren are too high (he proposed instead yearly rate of .03% - .05% )
 

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In my case, I cannot vote for a candidate who believes if you start a business and it grows to be valued at more than $30 million, that the US treasury should seize a percentage of your personal property every year / force you to sell off your own business until your holdings drop below $30 million again.

Two things:

1) That $30M business wasn't built by one person, and the way capitalism (or I should say "capitalism," because the money sure doesn't flow toward the people who do the actual work) works in this country, the folks who make less money off the business actually pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the people taking the highest share of the profits. It's fundamentally unequal, and the more money you have, the more money you can take. So no, I don't see a single thing wrong with trying to equalize a system that has for most of its existence favored the rich.

2) I'm always shocked when arguments come down to things like this. The current administration is stripping rights and recognition from huge swaths of society. It is isolationist, chaotic, unpredictable, dishonest, and is raiding the treasury in a way Bloomberg could only dream of. The economic stuff is a sideshow if we allow ourselves any further down the path to 1930s Germany.

Bloomberg is being pushed by the media, and that alarms me a bit, because we've seen how this goes. Anecdotally I've heard stories of people whose relatives are saying they like him because they don't really know who else is running, and that's down to exposure. Yes, although I agree with Diana's views on late-stage capitalism, I'd vote for him over *rump. But I wouldn't vote for him over anyone else. He might be able to keep us from becoming Nazis, but he's not going to solve any other issues the country has, and he's shown zero ability to handle anything international. He'd be a one-termer, he'd seriously hurt progressivism in general, and heaven knows who the GOP would come up with next.
 

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Am I the only one who figures this is really a moot point since the election will be rigged (even more aggressively than last time) and *rump will be “reelected”?
 

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Am I the only one who figures this is really a moot point since the election will be rigged (even more aggressively than last time) and *rump will be “reelected”?
I'm still going to fight, but Trump is openly asking for help, Putin's always ready to help Trump out since anything that hurts the US helps him, and the GOP is enabling foreign interference and any other crime Trump and any Republican commit. You don't block election security bills after known foreign interference unless you're a treasonous, corrupt piece of rotting garbage. Which, well, that's what the GOP is now.

And they are going to regret it. Toadies don't fare well under dictatorships. All those Trump voters aren't going to like what this country becomes, and while they deserve to live in it, we decent folk don't.

I'm going out swinging. Hanging in to vote in the primary, using every last bit of energy on activism, because it can't hurt. Vetted the politics of the funeral director (friend of a friend). We just designed my "celebration of life" card and I am really only having any kind of memorial as a cash grab (in lieu of flowers) aimed at fighting voter suppression, electing Democrats and for a few liberal causes. We can't make it easy for them.
 

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Vetted the politics of the funeral director (friend of a friend). We just designed my "celebration of life" card and I am really only having any kind of memorial as a cash grab (in lieu of flowers) aimed at fighting voter suppression, electing Democrats and for a few liberal causes. We can't make it easy for them.

That's how we win... by outing and ostracising the enablers.
 

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No, you're not. But I'm voting anyway (assuming the election takes place at all).

I will definitely vote, too. For a Democrat, even if I have to write their name in (I don't believe Bloomberg is genuine and I will not vote for him).

I'm still going to fight, but Trump is openly asking for help, Putin's always ready to help Trump out since anything that hurts the US helps him, and the GOP is enabling foreign interference and any other crime Trump and any Republican commit. You don't block election security bills after known foreign interference unless you're a treasonous, corrupt piece of rotting garbage. Which, well, that's what the GOP is now.

And they are going to regret it. Toadies don't fare well under dictatorships. All those Trump voters aren't going to like what this country becomes, and while they deserve to live in it, we decent folk don't.

I'm going out swinging. Hanging in to vote in the primary, using every last bit of energy on activism, because it can't hurt. Vetted the politics of the funeral director (friend of a friend). We just designed my "celebration of life" card and I am really only having any kind of memorial as a cash grab (in lieu of flowers) aimed at fighting voter suppression, electing Democrats and for a few liberal causes. We can't make it easy for them.

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Bloomberg has more luggage than JFK airport's Lost & Found. His downfall will be spectacular.

-cb

I doubt it. He'll just run out of gas, and while he has the money to pay for a lot more gas, he won't have any riders unless he pays them to ride, and that's not going to translate into wins. My guess is that he'll be gone a few days after Super Tuesday. Hopefully, he'll put his money behind the leading Democrat, although since he was, just a few years ago, a Republican, I doubt that will happen. He probably likes his tax cuts too much.

That said, my record of predicting winners isn't all that great, but I did pick the Chiefs to go all the way, so that's something. :)
 

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I don't have the energy to hate Bloomberg (or at least the money he's fliffing down ballot) and can't stand Bernie, but I'd probably vote Bernie over Bloomberg. I'm excited to cast my ballot for Warren but am frequently frustrated by her. Pete makes me roll my eyes but I'm defending him constantly. And Biden seems good now.

It's all kinda breaking my brain.
 

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I’d prefer not to vote for a businessman/woman either. I really hate the notion that government ought to “work like a business”, so Bloomberg fails on that score for me too.

I don't understand why this concept that the public sector should be run more like private businesses won't die in the dumpster fire that it is. I'd take Bloomberg over Trump, mainly because I think Bloomberg is at least (to quote the late, great, Douglas Adams) halfway as sane as an emu on acid. But I don't think he's the solution to what is ailing us, economically or socially. But this is not be a choice I want to have to make. And Bloomberg has a lot of "skeletons" in his past--nasty ones with fangs, and they are too recent and painful to have even retreated into closets yet. Stop and Frisk comes to mind.

I still like Warren, because she's the one who has actually detailed some manner of plan for financial reform. What happened to all that rage over the bank bailouts in 2008 and all the frustration over the way our government coddles and protects Wall Street at everyone else's expense?

One thing I wonder about is why young liberals, who adore Sanders, are so indifferent towards Warren, who is probably closer to him in terms of plans and positions than the other candidates. Is it because she used to be a Conservative (but Sanders wasn't always the person he is now either--people do change, thankfully), or because there's still a double standard about the likability of older women vs older men? Something else?

I'm not a big Sanders supporter, but one thing that interests me about all the doomsaying is how it runs 180 degrees off the narrative that predominated after Hillary Clinton lost in 2016. She was too moderate, not appealing enough to younger voters, and some people who voted for Trump as a protest vote, because he was an outsider, actually preferred Sanders. How disgraceful it was that the Democratic Superdeligates fell into step with Clinton instead of supporting a candidate who had fresh ideas. Blah, blah, blah. There's also a weird idea that Sanders, should be become the candidate and POTUS, would actually be able to push legislation as far to the left as he'd like. What POTUS (before Trump, anyway) has had 100% support from Congress, even within their own party? The fact that the Democrats are still a broader party ideologically than what the GOP has become is precisely why it probably matters less who gets the nomination (in terms of ideology and eventual policies anyway) than many of us suppose. Compromise and consensus will have to be established, even if the Democrats take both houses.
 

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Warren and Sanders vote the same in the Senate about 93% of the time (sound familiar?). They aren’t that different, except for how Sanders pretends he’s somehow not part of the establishment.

He won a lot of supporters with dog whistles, just like *rump. That’s why Russia supports both him and *rump, they’re the most divisive candidates that will cause the most turmoil.

In the end, I’m going to listen to WOC, especially Black women, and pay attention to how they’re voting. I’m not sure that even they could convince me to vote for Sanders, though. I frankly don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell of beating *rump in the general anyway. Anyone who thinks “electability” matters is fooling themselves—they’re going to lie, smear, and mudsling whoever the Dems nominate. Sanders will be portrayed as a commie socialist who robs widows and eats babies, the media will dutifully report that, and the idiot middle will buy it.

Sorry, I’m already resigned to *rump’s “reelection.”
 
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Speaking of Bernie Sanders, he just tweeted this:

"I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us."

Unity, huh?

The Democratic establishment has accomplished a great many things that made people's lives better, healthier, more productive. He's smearing actual civil rights heroes, among others, who accomplished far more than he ever has or tried to. I am glad I will never have to worry about voting for him.
 

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Elizabeth Warren reverses her position on super PAC support as she seeks comeback

LAS VEGAS – Sen. Elizabeth Warren reversed her position on rejecting super PAC support on Thursday as she seeks a comeback in the Democratic presidential primary.

Warren, who has previously said that she would disavow the support of a super PAC that sought to aid her bid for the presidency, told reporters that she had changed her mind after failing to get her rivals to join her in repudiating the outside spending groups.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/20/elizabeth-warren-reverses-her-position-on-super-pac-support.html
 
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Actually, Sanders was briefed a month ago.
[Sanders was]...briefed about the Kremlin's efforts about a month ago and condemned Russia's attempts to interfere in US elections.
A month ago? Anyone remember hearing about it?

And yet the Intelligence Committee was only informed last week.
On Thursday, CNN and other outlets reported that the intelligence community's top election security official delivered a briefing to lawmakers last week warning them that the intelligence community believes Russia is already taking steps to interfere in the 2020 election to help Trump.
That's when Trump had a temper tantrum and fired all the top NSI employees replacing them with more Trump minions.

Then this:
The Vermont senator speculated that the news broke on Friday afternoon in order to have an impact on Saturday's Nevada caucuses, in which he is a leading candidate.
Who does he think broke the news?
... why the Sanders campaign didn't disclose Russia's involvement, Ro Khanna, a national co-chair of the campaign, said the Vermont senator didn't want to publicly reveal sensitive information
Sorry, that's not credible. How are we supposed to counter it as voters if it's secret. That's the same mistake Obama made in 2016.

Part of the election interference [in 2016] included a Russian government-linked troll operation that sought to help Trump's candidacy and undercut that of Clinton in part by posting messages in support of Sanders.


These different POVs are interesting.
"They either nominate the weakest candidate to take on their puppet Trump, or they elect a socialist as President," Bloomberg's campaign tweeted.

And former Vice President Joe Biden told CNN's Arlette Saenz in Las Vegas that the report indicates that Putin doesn't want him to be elected.
 

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you can go back and look through my posting history and see i typically do it when i quote articles.

why do you ask?