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I write MG but I keep having ideas that are Adult because of the characters' problems.

I've been reading Adult short stories, because I want to write short stories and have read adult novels in the past. However, doing so isn't seeming to help my voice sound Adult instead of MG.

What other tips do you have for a MG writer trying to write adult?
 

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i guess a bit more about what you are considering "having trouble sounding adult" means. or "because of adult problems."


If you're saying, for example, that you still have a MG character but they have to deal with mom's crippling heroin addiction, so that's an "adult problem," the POV is still a MG kid, so I'm not sure you have all that much to change in terms of voice. The gravity of situation changed, not the person.

And if you're now attempting writing an adult...well, I assume you ARE an adult, and hang around adults, so I would expect in broad strokes that you had to sort of learn and work to develop an MG voice that isn't reflective of your own voice and world outlook, so this should be the same sort of thing only if anything less removed.

so maybe a bit more info from you as far as specifically what you're trying to do and where you're failing?
 

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Not sure what kind of tip would help you if you're already reading adult stories. Obviously helps if one is an adult :Hug2:

I write for Upper Middle Grade but I can't honestly say I work on a special non-adult voice for that. I simply try and approach MC problems as if I were one of my MCs.

Upper Middle Grade readers certainly shouldn't be talked down to, or have dumbed-down narrative/dialogue.

I think it's more a question of content, having an adult approach to content, and showing adult character thought processes.

A nine-year-old and an adult are usually going to approach issues from different perspectives because of existing knowledge and life experience.

Any help?
 
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IS your MC adult?

I guess like I said, it may take some work, but I assume you are an adult. Running with that assumption:

Written voice is never exactly your own stream of consciousness, just like written dialogue that "sounds legit" still isn't the same as actual speech. So you already have to learn a bit of a second language in order to write. You learned MG. You might be "fluent in MG" at this point from having done it for some time, but you probably didn't sit down to your laptop the very first time, and have that particular voice. You learned it.

You'll have to learn adult. The good thing is it SHOULD be somewhat closer to home. But you'll still have to learn it. Part of the process.


That said, still not sure what "not sounding adult" is:

if it is that the just want to say "Shucks!" all the time, maybe you need to get comfortable with profanity. or maybe they simply aren't, and that is aprt of their voice. Many adults don't swear. I'm certainly not a good example, but they're out there.

If its because you want to end everything with an exclamation point (She was still there, watching, maybe Carol liked him!) or to add adverb dialogue tags ("You'll die last," he sneered menacingly) those aren't arguably doing you many favors in MG OR adult, and are just things you may be better off learning to put a shorter leash on anyway.


Beyond that (and are you sure the characters "sound MG"--have you gotten this from people, or are you maybe just beating yourself up?) I guess I'm not really sure I understand how one writes a character that "sounds MG." Vocabulary usage in adult fiction is all over the map, problems are problems, we all have anxieties, etc. so I just don't see what would be a problem. To be fair, that may be an issue of MINE, then, and I am not intimately familar with MG, but other than it encompassing a younger sub-set of the population and their issues, and the books maybe tending (MAYBE) towards a somewhat shorter length, I really don't see MG as dramatically different from adult. Like I said though, maybe that's me missing something.
 

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I guess my main issue is the voice. My MC doesn't sound Adult.

Try having him see life through adult eyes, focus on adult issues and ignore minor stuff.
 

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Try writing in first person from your MC's point of view for a while -- not that you must write your stories in first person, but it would be a useful exercise to develop your character's voice. What does your MC notice about the world, and what does he think about the things that he notices? How does he express his thoughts about those things -- what words does he choose, what kind of sentences? How is that all different from the things a child would notice, think, and express?

It's a problematic book for a bunch of reasons, but you might get something from reading Daniel Keyes's Flowers for Algernon. The conceit of the novel is that a developmentally disabled* person, Charlie, undergoes surgery that boosts his intelligence to genius level. The entire book consists of Charlie's journal entries, and so there is a gradual but very dramatic shift in voice as the book progresses. In the beginning, Charlie sees the world through childlike, innocent eyes, doesn't have access to much in the way of vocabulary, and expresses himself in very simple syntax. In the heart of the book, he is writing with adult intelligence and perspective and syntax.

While the difference here is perhaps quite a bit starker than the difference between an intelligent MG character and an adult character, it gives you a very vivid example, all in one book, of how age and life experience can manifest themselves in voice.

* In the novel, written in the 60s, Keyes uses the term "retarded."

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maybe to start help us with this:

are you hearing other people TELL YOU it sounds like MG?

or is this something just nagging you personally?


and if it is the second, have you had anyone else look at it?


how you "fix" this is vastly different if multiple people are telling you there's a problem and your work isn't reading well vs if you're just fretting in a corner....
 

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It might help to think of it like an accent or dialect. It takes time to develop not only an ear for accents not your own, but the proficiency of mimicking and thinking in them so they come out naturally. Before that, you're going to go through an awkward (but often necessary), stumbling phase that only experience can correct. Other speakers can help point the way, but ultimately it's a skill you'll have to develop yourself.

You could just need some time to develop as a writer, to figure out the "dialects" of the age categories, before you can switch gears between MG and adult writing.

In other words, don't rush yourself, especially if you're newer to writing and still figuring out your style and voice and the general mechanics of it. Do keep reading in the age categories and genres you aim to write in; you're absorbing more than you may initially realize, plus you'll keep tabs on the markets.
 

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In view of your other post today, you should probably ask a mod to close this thread, The Second Moon - no?
 

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Perhaps you can find places to briefly sneak adult reponsiblities (like a job, financial issues, relationships, etc.) into the character's thoughts or comments.