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I find it hard to believe there's not a thread already for this, but search doesn't show one so...

Anyone have recent turn-around times for Analog? I found a few old ones on rejectomancy and such that list like 200 or 300 days. I'm not sure I'm willing to abide by "no simultaneous submissions" when they take a year or so to respond. Up until this point, I was getting relatively fast rejections (uh, yay?) from the other SFF markets I was submitting to, so I didn't mind shopping around to one place at a time. But this seems a little ridiculous? Does everyone just ignore that rule? Anyone ever actually been caught out doing it? What happens?
 

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My last three rejections from there took one month, two months, and three months, respectively. Does that mean I'm getting closer? :Shrug:
 

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In my opinion, editors who expect writers to wait any longer than a month without submitting to other markets are living in a dreamworld. This mentality shows a serious lack of respect for writers. Editors are essentially saying that their time is infinitely more valuable than the time of their writers, which isn't okay. The idea of waiting months for a form rejection (which is what a lot of these "high end" magazines are going to send to even the best stories, let's be real) is a complete joke.

It' simple: You respect my time and I'll respect yours. I don't mind waiting at all if the response time is a week, but more often than not, it's way longer than that.
 

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One way to fairly easily check current response times for short story markets is to look on the Submission Grinder. HERE's Analog's page, which shows an 86-day average, with a longer wait for acceptances than rejections.

The best way I've found to deal with extended response times is to write more and get more work out there while you're waiting. Yeah, you may be able to "get away with" simultaneously submitting work, but if you're consistently needing to withdraw stories or if you get an acceptance that then has to be declined because you've already sold it elsewhere, editors will notice that and it will make you appear unprofessional.
 

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Coming back here to add that my rejection came in just a few days shy of four months. And I was loving following the Submission Grinder page, but it seemed to sort of stall for a while the past few weeks, in terms of seeing the change in the pending/rejection window move forward. I don't know if that's because there was a pause on Analog's side in going through submissions or the SG site had a glitch, or what. It still shows most of the stuff from a month or so before my submission sitting at pending, but a do see a few rejections showing up today that are more recent, so who knows. Maybe folks are just slow in entering their times on the site.
 

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To address Corvid's comments:

It took eight MONTHS for one of my stories to get accepted at a long established magazine. I was glad of the sale. Did not pay much, but having a story with that venue had been on my bucket list since I was a kid. I had a Plan B if it got rejected, but was delighted when it made the cut.

Now let's have a reality check about the turnaround time for such submissions.

Officially, most venues will say 6 weeks to 2 months, but my long wait was more typical. To be clear, I had a long record of pro sales and an agent, but got no special treatment, no shortcuts. They look at stories in the order of arrival.

Not getting a reply in a month or two is not being disrespectful to the writers. The editing staff just doesn't have the time.

And yes, their time IS more valuable. They sign the checks.

Twenty-five to fifty stories come in EVERY DAY, up to 100 a day on weekends as writers take a deep breath at two in the morning and hit the Send button on their effort, then haunt their email for a reply on Monday.

The submission flood does not stop. Slush readers start the day with a 200-story backlog. I got good at spotting easy to reject stories on page one--often on the opening paragraph. Those took less than 3 minutes. The better stories? I was told give them 5 pages before deciding whether to continue reading. Say that's 5 minutes. I could get though 24 - 40 stories in about 2 hours and then have to take a sanity break.

I was usually good for 4 hours before I had to quit for the day. It is called slush for a reason. You have no idea how many bullets I took to protect the reading public from the stinky word-goo that's out there. In one case it was child torture porn (supposedly horror) and I can't unread it, though I sent a warning to the publisher about that writer. It gave me the creeps.

The 2% of stories that might be publishable we read all the way through and kick upstairs to the next editor -- who also has a huge backlog to read, plus all the other work required by their job (meetings, planning layout, dealing with agents, writers, the Suits Upstairs, and maybe dreaming of the luxury of a 5-minute lunch).

So if it takes them a long time to get back with a reply, be mindful you are not the only writer sending stuff in for their consideration. You are one of thousands every month.

What I came to value as an editor was a SHORT cover letter (title, genre, word count) and if the writer SOLD something to another editor. I don't care what venues they submitted to, have they SOLD anything? Did another editor pay real money for their words?

It is okay to be unknown and unpublished! We all start that way and editors are well aware of it. It doesn't count against you.

No editor is going to dis any writer by taking their own sweet time delaying a reply to a submission. They are trying to get through the backlog because they have the hope, the tiny fragile flower of a hope, that they will find a fantastic story in the slush.

Whenever I found one (rare) I was delighted to send it along. It made all the eye pain worth it.

While waiting to hear back, the writer needs to write more stories. Working on something new keeps your head from exploding.

An editor-in-chief at one of the Big Five recommended this: "Write a story every week or every two weeks. At the end of a year you have 25-50 stories making the rounds. If one comes back rejected, then you still have 24-49 others out there. You reassess the rejected one, tweak it, and send it out again. Rinse, repeat. Keep a submissions chart. Writing one story, hanging all your hopes on it, just makes the crash worse should it be rejected. Selling any story in that crowd is still going to be sweet."

As for simultaneous submissions: Check their submission guidelines. If they say "no simultaneous submissions" take it seriously. If they do not, you don't need to inform the editor. Send the story to other venues. If it sells, inform the venues that it is no longer available. Include the same info on the subject line (title, your name) with the addition of "withdrawing this title from submission." Give the date you sent the story so they can find it in their email. No need to explain why. The slush reader will be glad to delete it and wish you well, it's one less thing on their to-do list. :)
 
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For the record, this slush pile situation is the norm for any publisher willing to take unagented submissions, either for stories or books. Always be prepared for a very long wait.
 

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In my opinion, editors who expect writers to wait any longer than a month without submitting to other markets are living in a dreamworld. This mentality shows a serious lack of respect for writers. Editors are essentially saying that their time is infinitely more valuable than the time of their writers, which isn't okay. The idea of waiting months for a form rejection (which is what a lot of these "high end" magazines are going to send to even the best stories, let's be real) is a complete joke.

It' simple: You respect my time and I'll respect yours. I don't mind waiting at all if the response time is a week, but more often than not, it's way longer than that.

Better give up subbing to the top levels mags then, pretty much all of them take longer than a month.
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