The case for impeachment

cbenoi1 · Jul 17, 2019

lizmonster said:
Might help to remember that *rump lost the popular vote by a lot. If you don't have the equivalent of gerrymandering and you all get out to vote, you may have a chance.

We don't; at least not to the extremes we see from our neighbour.

The problem is Trudeau. Too young. Too fast. Too inexperienced. And it showed. It will be hard for him to prove he's still in the game and up to the task. We'll end up with a minority government that will freeze in place for the next five years.

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kikazaru · Jul 17, 2019

frimble3 said:
This election, like last election, I will put my natural affinities aside, and vote strategically. Last election I voted to get Harper out, and this year, I'm looking to kick Scheer away from the Top Job.
As it happens, I like the MP I got, so it's not a total loss. He may only be a backbencher, but he's a great communicator.
But 'NO SCHEER! is my motto. I am hoping that Bernier is ignored as the spoiler that he is. (If Scheer is 'Trump-lite', Bernier is a lot less 'lite')

For the non-Canadians - Bernier was denied the leadership of the Federal Conservatives. A little too 'conservative'. His response? He started his own party and declared that he was going to run a candidate in every riding in Canada. Let us imagine the lack of quality control that ensued. That's what we need: a Prime Minister with delusions of being Trump.
(Just in case )

My motto too. He's a pudding faced, know-nothing who panders (or at least does not disavow) to the ickier elements of society. Ford has all but scuppered Scheer's chances by showing just what happens with the cons get in.

kikazaru · Jul 17, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
We don't; at least not to the extremes we see from our neighbour.

The problem is Trudeau. Too young. Too fast. Too inexperienced. And it showed. It will be hard for him to prove he's still in the game and up to the task. We'll end up with a minority government that will freeze in place for the next five years.

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Yes, he's made some missteps for sure, but what I like about him is that imo, he has (for the most part) done things from a place of wanting to do good for the population. A lot can be forgiven if you are at least attempting to do the best for the majority of the people.

lizmonster · Jul 17, 2019

kikazaru said:
Yes, he's made some missteps for sure, but what I like about him is that imo, he has (for the most part) done things from a place of wanting to do good for the population. A lot can be forgiven if you are at least attempting to do the best for the majority of the people.

Any chance y'all will look down South, think "Holy cats, we can't have THAT" and work it out?

Because 20-20 hindsight, guys, you start with people like Ford and *rump is not far behind.

Alpha Echo · Jul 17, 2019

I don't know where to put this, but this seems as good a place as any. By now, many of you may have seen this, but it nearly made me throw-up:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...t-attacks-on-congresswomen-kaye-ac360-vpx.cnn

ETA: I listened to them again. I just don't understand. How in the world can these women say that the Democrats are the ones spreading division and hatred...and deny that their god does so every. single. day? I had to laugh when Kaye reads the definition of racism, and the women are like "but he dated a black woman for 2 years...and 2 of his wives are from other countries..." They are saying they believe it's a coincidence that Trump's racist tweets were against women of color. Oh, and that the women are all racist against whites.

I just cannot. Please someone explain this to me.

cbenoi1 · Jul 17, 2019

kikazaru said:
Ford has all but scuppered Scheer's chances by showing just what happens with the cons get in.

Ford is a different beast from Trump. Or Scheer for that matter. He's one-term guy with a plan to rip Ontario's debt to shreds.

At all costs.

That's the part that hurts Ontarians the most - at all costs. And it's not over yet despite his slashing social programs with the rage of pit-bull with its tail on fire. Even the deficit proved to be a difficult beast to tame.

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Auteur · Jul 17, 2019

Our country is defined by our Constitution and our democracy. People who violate our Constitution and seek to destroy our democracy are the ones who hate our country.

lizmonster · Jul 17, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
Ford is a different beast from Trump. Or Scheer for that matter. He's one-term guy with a plan to rip Ontario's debt to shreds.

Didn't he also roll back sex education standards?

He's familiar, is all I'm saying. Keep your eyes open.

cbenoi1 · Jul 17, 2019

lizmonster said:
Didn't he also roll back sex education standards?

It was put back in. At a cheaper cost.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5059062/ontario-education-class-size/

The Tories, in a move to cater to social conservatives, scrapped a modernized curriculum brought in by the Liberals that addressed consent, online bullying, sexting, same-sex relationships and gender identity.

The new document will return to teaching those lessons, but in some cases will do so when students are older. Gender identity, for instance, will now be taught in Grade 8 after previously being taught earlier under the Liberals. The curriculum will also include teachings on abstinence and lessons on cannabis.

Yes Ford is a conservative and rules like one but he's light-years away from Trump and the GOP.

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Diana Hignutt · Jul 17, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
Yes Ford is a conservative and rules like one but he's light-years away from Trump and the GOP.

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For now. Never underestimate the power of rightwing authoritarianism to move the Overton window. No place is safe. Confidence in "that couldn't happen here" is what undid the US. Every Western-style democracy is in danger. Hate is contagious.

lizmonster · Jul 17, 2019

Diana Hignutt said:
For now. Never underestimate the power of rightwing authoritarianism to move the Overton window. No place is safe. Confidence in "that couldn't happen here" is what undid the US. Every Western-style democracy is in danger. Hate is contagious.

This. I loathed Reagan, but not in a million years would I have thought he'd lead to *rump. Looking back on it, though? It's a wide, straight line from there to here.

MaeZe · Jul 17, 2019

Alpha Echo said:
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I just cannot. Please someone explain this to me.

They are just as racist. Nothing else explains it.

cbenoi1 · Jul 17, 2019

Diana Hignutt said:
Hate is contagious.

Hate doesn't appear out of the blue nor spreads to the healthy like the flu. People don't become hateful because their neighbor is.

Hate is nurtured. It simmers in the dark corners of society. Remove the lid and hate comes out. Which is what the Trump presidency has done.

But it always been there to begin with.

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frimble3 · Jul 17, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
. We'll end up with a minority government that will freeze in place for the next five years.

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Better to freeze in place than to roll briskly backwards. Or, southward.
I will now expose my true socialist, lefty colours: if only Jack Layton had lived a little longer, he and the New Democrats would be running Canada by now!
:hooray:

(Note the lack of sarcasm smiley. The joys of not having a two-party system is that there are choices!)

frimble3 · Jul 17, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
It was put back in. At a cheaper cost.
Yes Ford is a conservative and rules like one but he's light-years away from Trump and the GOP.

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Yeah, and once upon a time Trump was just a guy with a TV show and a bad toupee.

You think Ford could resist the thought of being Prime Minister, the Big Kahuna, Man in Charge? Not with people behind him, praising him and egging him on, he couldn't. It only takes a small hit of power to make an addict.

cbenoi1 · Jul 17, 2019

frimble3 said:
It only takes a small hit of powDer to make an addict.

There. Fixed.

Oh wait. That was his brother, right?

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frimble3 · Jul 18, 2019

The Ford brothers, something for everybody. None of it good.

CWatts · Jul 18, 2019

lizmonster said:
This. I loathed Reagan, but not in a million years would I have thought he'd lead to *rump. Looking back on it, though? It's a wide, straight line from there to here.

It was easier to see with George W. Bush, but even then I thought the torture camps would always be offshore.

The small, slim hope I hold on to is that this is the extinction burst of blatant racism - how could someone as nakedly incompetent as Trump be a superior anything? - but then how many dead revolutionaries and mad despots did it take to finally extinguish the divine right of kings? Though with dictators on the rise and churches supporting them you could say even that never really died.

Night_Writer · Jul 26, 2019

At this point I'd be happy just to impeach Mitch McCommie. I think he's become a bigger danger than Donald Trump.

ElaineA · Jul 26, 2019

He always has been. He's been changing the rules for years, now, preparing for just this eventuality.

MaeZe · Aug 24, 2019

The next installment has arrived:

A collection of essays summarizing the Mueller report

Mueller looks like a traitor himself, providing the report then turning prosecution over to the Criminal in Chief.

I've been listening to Trump's lawyers challenge to the House subpoenas of Deutsche Bank records on Trump, and the case the House is presenting. The Trump lawyers argument is claiming the House cannot investigate Trump's personal finances.

The House lawyers are arguing the Trump family is a "criminal enterprise" involved in money laundering on a massive scale. The House wants to know why Deutsche Bank would loan Trump enterprise so much money when no other banks would loan him the money. I think the case they are considering is that the Russian Oligarchs laundered the money through the bank to Trump, but only snippets have been in the testimony so far.

How was this "criminal enterprise" not investigated by the FBI years ago? :rant:

Turns out Trump's tax records are included in the bank's records. They're going to get Trump's records one way or another.

The case will almost certainly go to the SCOTUS for a final ruling. I can see Rapey McRapeface paying Trump back ruling against the subpoenas, but I can't see Roberts ruling against them. Thomas is a criminal himself, he'll rule in Trump's favor. I have no idea how Alito views a massive "criminal enterprise": all power to the POTUS, or, good grief, I only signed on to rule against Roe v Wade.

This stuff doesn't seem to have blown up in the news yet. Or has it and it's not reaching DW and France 24?

From search:

Bannon described Trump Organization as 'criminal enterprise ...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...iminal-enterprise-comments-michael-wolff-book
May 29, 2019 ... Former White House adviser says financial investigations will take down ... has described the Trump Organization as a criminal entity and predicted that ... Jared Kushner, campaign manager Paul Manafort and a Russian lawyer. ... York state are now investigating its relationship with Trump and his family.

Why The Trump Organization Now Risks Being Charged As A ...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steved...risks-being-charged-as-a-criminal-enterprise/
Mar 6, 2019 ... If the Trump Organization were to be convicted as a criminal enterprise ... Michael Cohen, testifies before the House Oversight Committee (Photo by ... in Trump's inaugural committee, while Congress has called on the FBI to ... When the U.S. Attorney decides to indict someone under RICO, they have the ...

Dems ask FBI to probe if Trump Org is 'criminal enterprise'
https://www.apnews.com/bdf6e4d32aa74c1b9c7b1860cfb66f49
Feb 13, 2019 ... NEW YORK (AP) — A group of House Democrats asked the FBI on Wednesday to ... President Donald Trump's company is a "criminal enterprise" after mass firings at two ... “Our employees are like family but when presented with fake ... Earlier this month, New York Attorney General Letitia James called for ...

'30-year criminal enterprise:' Investigations look at Trump's life from ...
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/...ook-at-trump-s-life-from-all-angles-1.6747323
Dec 17, 2018 ... Investigations now entangle Donald Trump's White House, campaign, transition, ... All of this with the first special counsel investigation against a president in 20 years hanging ... At worst, the probes are a threat to the presidency, Trump's family and his business interests. ... “I call it the everybody conspiracy.

Steve Bannon allegedly described President Trump's business ...
https://www.salon.com/2019/05/29/st...mps-business-empire-as-a-criminal-enterprise/
May 29, 2019 ... Trump's former chief strategist says the president runs a "criminal enterprise" ... described the real estate mogul's business empire as a "criminal enterprise" ... in the conference room on the 25th floor with no lawyers," Bannon told Wolff. ... to think it's all of that — you should have called the FBI immediately.".

Trump the mob boss wants protection - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...882f5a-a70c-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html
Aug 23, 2018 ... “I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. ... A few days earlier, Trump had referred to John Dean, the White House counsel whose ... Trump speaks as though the Trump Organization, the Trump campaign and the Trump administration were one long continuing criminal enterprise.

Trump Is Running A 'Criminal Enterprise' And Mueller Is 'On the ...
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-runn...mueller-track-it-says-former-dnc-chair-760129
Dec 27, 2017 ... Instead, he was putting his faith in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into ... "I think he's running a criminal enterprise out of the White House, and I ... while some customers called out the low quality of her merchandise.

Steve Bannon Thinks Trump's Business Career Is Criminal Enterprise
https://www.newsweek.com/thats-dona...iness-career-criminal-enterprise-says-1442240
Jun 5, 2019 ... Former presidential adviser Steve Bannon believed that Donald Trump headed a criminal enterprise, the author of the latest White House ...

Howard Dean: Trump is running a 'criminal enterprise out of the ...
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...unning-a-criminal-enterprise-out-of-the-white
Dec 27, 2017 ... During a segment an MSNBC host said Trump is "constantly vacationing to promote his own properties. ... "I think he's running a criminal enterprise out of the White House and I ... Special counsel Robert Mueller is currently investigating the ... his campaign and Russia and has called the probe a "witch hunt.

Joe Lockhart: 'Trump Was Running a Criminal Enterprise Out of the ...
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-loc...nal-enterprise-out-of-the-trump-organization/
Feb 22, 2019 ... CNN contributor and former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart offered harsh ... on Dancing With the Stars One Judge Called Him an 'Awful Mess' ... expected to be revealed by the former Trump Organization lawyer under oath ... out of the Trump organization, that's really where the mother load is.”.

(The links may not work if they are truncated but if you can't find a link you want to see, just ask.)

MaeZe · Aug 24, 2019

Night_Writer said:
At this point I'd be happy just to impeach Mitch McCommie. I think he's become a bigger danger than Donald Trump.

I'm hoping Mitch McCommie goes down with the Trump ship. And given the Russians are a big part of Trump's criminal enterprise, maybe they won't have an easy of a time rigging the election with a flood of propaganda.

cbenoi1 · Aug 24, 2019

MaeZe said:
This stuff doesn't seem to have blown up in the news yet.

That's because Disney+ announced a reboot of Lizzie McGuire!!

Hilary Duff to Star in Lizzie McGuire Reboot from Disney+
https://news.yahoo.com/hilary-duff-star-lizzie-mcguire-232327807.html

The new Lizzie McGuire series, which will air on Disney’s new streaming service, Disney+, will revolve around Lizzie as a 30-year-old millennial navigating life in New York City. Original series creator Terri Minsky will serve as showrunner on the series.

“The good news is, just like me and everybody who loved Lizzie and has grown up with her, Lizzie’s also grown up,” Duff, 31, said on stage about the revival, Entertainment Weekly reported. “She’s older, she’s wiser, she has a much bigger shoe budget, which is super exciting. She has her dream job. She has kind of the perfect life right now.”

How's that for a media distraction?

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Brightdreamer · Aug 24, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
That's because Disney+ announced a reboot of Lizzie McGuire!!

Hilary Duff to Star in Lizzie McGuire Reboot from Disney+
https://news.yahoo.com/hilary-duff-star-lizzie-mcguire-232327807.html

How's that for a media distraction?

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Also, Ewan McGregor's apparently starring in the new Disney+ Star Wars series as Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Because apparently they think there are still a few drops of milk left in that overworked, oversqueezed cash cow...

So, yeah, much more important than trying to preserve what's left of our Constitutional government and nation by removing the clear and present threat of a despot-in-chief...

MaeZe · Aug 24, 2019

cbenoi1 said:
That's because Disney+ announced a reboot of Lizzie McGuire!!

Hilary Duff to Star in Lizzie McGuire Reboot from Disney+
https://news.yahoo.com/hilary-duff-star-lizzie-mcguire-232327807.html

How's that for a media distraction?

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Brightdreamer said:
Also, Ewan McGregor's apparently starring in the new Disney+ Star Wars series as Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Because apparently they think there are still a few drops of milk left in that overworked, oversqueezed cash cow...

So, yeah, much more important than trying to preserve what's left of our Constitutional government and nation by removing the clear and present threat of a despot-in-chief...

I saw both those news reports less than 15 minutes ago. :rant:

And coming up on CSPAN tonight on Afterwords is "Brent Bozell, Unmasked -Media's War Against Trump."

I will not be watching it.

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