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Anyone around here going to AWP in Portland next month? I made a goal last year to apply for a Regional Artist Project grant to go to some sort of conference, and picked, at random, what seemed like the biggest thing I could find in the U.S. It also helped that I noticed other RAP grants had been awarded to attend this conference in the past, so that seemed like a good sign.
Anyhow, to my great surprise, I was given the grant, and now that it's a month out and everything is arranged, the reality is creeping in that I have no clue what I'm doing and have made Poor Life Choices. It seems like the AWP is mostly for MFA types (not me), poetry types (definitely not me), and literary types (please not me). I just want to go to try and meet some agents and maybe some publishers face-to-face in a semi-professional manner. I have a fantasy novel that's almost as done as I and my little small-town writer's group can make it. Meanwhile, there is almost no mention of genre stuff in the conference panels, etc.
I'm sure it'll be a good time. I love being alone in a crowd for a few days, so I'm looking forward to being somewhere new, etc. But the "goal" of this trip just seems SOOOO unlikely. I'm looking forward to a lot of neat panels, never turn down the chance for some edumacation, but, I don't see much of my personal goals in there anywhere if I'm not down for hobnobing at the after parties. I'm panicking and wishing I'd picked something else, but it's just too late now.
So, back to my original question. Any of you folks been to this circus? I've read all sorts of serious and cheeky writes ups about "what to do/not do" sort of thing, but they seem mostly geared to the young MFA people. ("Find a sexy poet and sleep with them!" "Drink with strangers!" "Make business cards in advance!") For several year I went to one of these sorts of massive conference things at the College Media Association's big spring shindig in NYC, but as an advisor. Lots of fun, great for the kiddos, and I picked up all sorts of knowledge on the sidelines. Never tried to "network" because I did.not.give.a.crap. and wasn't there for myself.
Meanwhile, now I'm happily in the frumpy middle aged part of my life, and as a woman, the idea of drinking with strangers in a strange city holds zero appeal. As does running around exploring after dark. (God, I AM old, aren't I? That didn't used to be the case, you know.)
Talk me down, anyone? Or back up, whatever seems better.
 

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Save your money. The easy way to find an agent is to look up writers with works similar to yours and see if they mention their agent on their websites.

Most writers are happy to recommend an agent in reply to a polite letter. Just don't ask them to look at your work. NOT the done thing.

Since you have a fantasy novel, you need an agent who specializes in them. A conference that is focused on poetry/literary works won't have them. It's like taking an ingrown toenail to an ear, nose, and throat specialist. This is the wrong venue.

You would have better luck at a science fiction convention so long as it's not one of those mega comic cons. At least you get to meet writers in the same genre and can ask them for recommendations.

But an email is less costly.

I found my first agent via a fantasy writer friend. After a few years I wanted a new agent and asked another writer for a reccie. My first choice was too busy, but she passed me to a young and hungry agent who has done a great job.

I can recommend http://www.spectrumliteraryagency.com/

Also https://knightagency.net/

http://awfulagent.com/

http://maassagency.com/

They're all top flight and rep fantasy writers. You'll have better luck with them than blowing dollars on travel, hotel, and drinking with strangers.

Since it's a done deal, go, enjoy things, attend panels, grab a goodie bag.

Above all, find your way to Voodoo Doughnuts. Trust me on this. Just...trust me.

https://www.voodoodoughnut.com/
 
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From a random person I know nothing about? Um.

Yes. I've gotten many requests over the years asking who reps for me. The mails are polite, and I'm fine with paying it forward.

The writers are on their own to check out websites and follow submission guidelines. They might say in a query that I recommended the agent, but my agent knows I'm not recommending the writer.
 

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Yes. I've gotten many requests over the years asking who reps for me. The mails are polite, and I'm fine with paying it forward.

I don't have an agent anymore, and I suppose when I did I might have answered inquiries about my opinion of her. I would have been concerned, though, that people might imply a relationship when contacting her.

I've also encountered a few boundary-pushers in my time, which makes me extremely wary of connecting with someone I don't know.
 

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I would have been concerned, though, that people might imply a relationship when contacting her.

I've also encountered a few boundary-pushers in my time, which makes me extremely wary of connecting with someone I don't know.

Understandable. There's little enough privacy these days, but if a neo pushes a boundary, I gently let them know. In one case the oblivious writer (after a few comments flattering my works) asked me to check out his MS and I set him straight about protocols so he didn't repeat the error with another writer. The first rule I learned back in the day was to not impose on other writers, but there do seem to be a lot of entitled folk about!

These days I just post my agent's website on my website. Saves everyone time.

Most agents spot queries that want them to think the neo has a relationship with some established writer. The easy answer is an email asking the writer if they know this or that person. In all these years I've never had that happen to me. :D
 

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Thanks, that's about what I expected. Oh well, guess I'll have to have a nice trip and learn stuff anyhow. Just not what I'd planned.
 

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Thanks, that's about what I expected. Oh well, guess I'll have to have a nice trip and learn stuff anyhow. Just not what I'd planned.

FWIW I (a bit older than you!) have never made professional contacts at cons of any kind. But I have had really useful and encouraging chats with people after panels. You can learn a lot (and have great fun) without doing all the afterparty drinking/socializing stuff.

I suspect most attendees will be more like you than not. Enjoy yourself.

(Also, sleep with a poet? As the kids say: srsly?? That advice creeps me out in so many, many ways.)
 

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Thanks, that's about what I expected. Oh well, guess I'll have to have a nice trip and learn stuff anyhow. Just not what I'd planned.

It'll be fun. Take in the energy, enjoy the people, and WEAR COMFORTABLE SHOES. Seriously. Nothing goes right when your feet are uptight.

And Voodoo Doughnuts. I was at a Portland conference and their truck was parked at the hotel with an eager line waiting. Two of their giant doughnuts and a quart of milk and I didn't need to buy any food for the weekend.

If you ever see a big pink box in a TV show, that's them. :D
 

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I know, I highly suspect that particular piece was written by a hopeful poet, lol.
 

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Congrats on the grant!

I attended the Seattle and Minneapolis AWPs as a middle-aged Master's student. Had a blast both times. There were quite a few speculative fiction writers both years, but not much on the agent / publisher front when I attended. Sounds like you have the right mentality for wandering among your writing peers. Went to a ton of panels. Don't be afraid to walk out if you're not learning anything from the speakers and slip into another panel. We're too old to care about what the younguns think, right?

The book fair is insane, so if you're in a position to spend (lots of great deals and freebies), take an extra tote bag or five.

If you're not staying at the conference hotel, be sure to hang out at the bar there after the panels and/or between them. Prepare for chaos, and it's not uncommon for the bar to run out of booze. Even if you're not a networking type (I'm not), you will meet so many nice people. If anyone sneers at the mention of "genre" fiction, move along. There's nothing to see there and too many more confident writers to connect with.

I was way too cool to attend the "dance" my first year, but a friend dragged me along the second year, and I am so glad she did. Just stupid fun, and chit-chatting with random people as you wait in horrendously long lines for your free watered-down gin and tonic.

Post AWP, I was brimming with inspiration and itching to draft. Be safe. You're gonna have a great time. I'm so jealous!
 
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I figured I should post some sort of update to this. I went, I saw, I listened, I tried to avoid the constant smell of weed. There were plenty of business-aspect panels to attend, which I did, and I even went to a couple of the more academic panels that were interesting. One on the cultural and historical legacy of "magical realism" vs. what the publishing industry is using the words for was pretty cool, as was one about black representation in comics and superhero-related poetry. (I'm butchering the actual names and premises here, which were much more loftily phrased.) Very Serious Poets and Literary Types were everywhere, and as I am not a poet and I have a hard time taking anything seriously, that was ... challenging. A panel put on by the Authors Guild on contracts was very informative, and a few panels centered around the agent process were entertaining. In the rarefied atmosphere of all the MFA types, the common thread was often "my professor knew someone and that's how I got my agent." Oddly, no one had a heart attack at any of this elitist bullshit, and even more odd, I kept a smile on my face and acted like that was all fine and normal.
I give it an 8/10 for things to do once and enjoy, but I will never go back again, I think. All future cons shall be genre-related. One of the biggest laughs I got was one where a set of agents were discussing how they make decisions, and the consensus was that they'd all accept a book with beautiful writing even if the plot/structure/whatever else needed "a lot of work," assuming the author didn't appear to be a pain in the ass. These are literary or non-fiction, of course, not genre. ...Does it seem like that's a lower standard than most genre folks would expect of their own stuff??? Now I know why so little seems to happen in so many literary fiction novels.
Ok, that's enough, I need to stop. I don't mean to be quite so catty, please forgive me, but I've been holding in ALL my thoughts about my trip while surrounded by this strange world and it's immensely satisfying to say some of them "out loud."
 

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Hahahah, so... let me tell you how I did very little exploring, and if it wasn't within clear line of sight of the redline or my hotel, I probably didn't go. I DID go to Powell's, and it was fantastic, and I ate at Zeus-something-or-other at the hotel across the street from it, but that first afternoon on the day before the conference started was my one and only attempt to explore on foot. I never saw one freaking doughnut shop of any name, but everyone around me talked of doughnuts when they weren't talking about luminous and transcendent writing. I ate fantastic pizza at Goose Hollow Inn, some excellent shepherd's pie at Kells (Kell's?), a lot of bleh food at the convention center, a couple meals at a diner called Johnny's or something near my maybe-infested-with-hookers* hotel, and a late-night breakfast at an Elmer's, also kinda near my hotel. I ended up regretting the Elmers, which was fine food-wise, but I had to walk in the rain a lot farther than I'd been promised, and as I passed the local dispensary an Extremely Charming Young Man wearing a thing that covered most of his face stepped out of the shadows to follow me for a couple of blocks before I stopped to cross the street. He was probably(?) not following me, but that's how it felt as I was alone on the sidewalk late at night in what suddenly seemed like not the best neighborhood. This was the same night as the event in my footnote. Later, I saw other people wearing the same "cover your face" sort of zippered turtleneck things, so I guess it's a thing people there wear when it's cold and rainy a lot? But, still, it did not inspire confidence.

*3 a.m. one night, I was awoken by an argument between a couple right outside my door yelling something about $300. I knew checking in that it was sketchy as hell, but it was also cheap and available, so ... I walked out unscathed, though, so all's well that ends well.
 
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