Millions Of Women In India Join Hands To Form A 385-Mile Wall Of Protest

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NPR: Millions Of Women In India Join Hands To Form A 385-Mile Wall Of Protest

Think about that. :TheWave:

They called it the "women's wall" — vanitha mathil in the local language of Malayalam.

According to government estimates published in the Indian press, somewhere between 3.5 million and 5 million women lined up on National Highway 66, a long stretch of road that runs along the country's western coast. The "wall" stretched out 385 miles. Organizers said it was a continuous chain from one end of the state to the other, but some critics say there were gaps.

Kerala is roughly the size of Switzerland and has a population of about 35 million.
Women have a long way to go to gain equal rights in India.

I don't have CNN or MSNBC anymore. Does anyone know if they covered the event? I've seen the rioting covered as women try to get the right to enter an important temple and extremists men are rioting because of it.

On Wednesday, the day after the gender wall demonstration, Indian media reports emerged of two women under the age of 50 finally managing to visit the sacred shrine. The women were escorted by police into the temple in complete secrecy in the wee hours of the dawn. They were given police protection to avoid the mobs that had kept women at bay previously. They have since been taken to an undisclosed location.

On Thursday, right-wing groups declared a hartal — a strike involving the closure of shops, usually following a sorrowful event. Violent protests erupted in the state as mobs took to the streets hurling stones and crude bombs. One person was killed and 14 others were injured. State police arrested 745 people.

That same day, a third woman visited the temple amid the protests.

For Madhavan, the violence was distressing but did not dampen her spirit.

"Social change doesn't happen in a day," she says. "It needs time. But with these small steps, we've made it easier for the next generation to embrace it. In this way, the wall of women marks a new dawn for feminism in India."
 

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Funny to see my name (Vanitha) in print. Yes, my name literally means 'girl.'

I have been following this story for some time. Many many people believe that menstruating women should not go to a temple during their periods. In my day, we had to sit in a separate room for the first three days, eat from separate plates that we washed away from everyone, and were not allowed to touch anyone (lots of fun pranks growing up with that one). It was embarrassing and somehow cruel--my mom had it worse, and no doubt my grandmother before her. I still don't go to the temple during those times. Superstitious habits are hard to break.

But things are changing. When my sister grew up, my grandmother said she could do whatever, just don't tell her private matters. My generation has largely given up the practice as it's not easy to work and pay attention to these nonsensical rituals that have lost meaning wrt their original purpose. Kids in this generation don't see it as an issue--broadly speaking, among the upper middle class and such. Poorer classes tend to be far more conservative in such matters.

All that said, I am AMAZED that women would challenge their exclusion from Sabari Malai, which is one of Hinduism's most sacred pilgrimages. They are inviting death by mob. It's beyond gratifying to see women come together to support this. And I am beyond amazed that the local police have been helping these women, in accordance with the law but against the wishes of the prime minister and his government.
 
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Wow! Thanks for such insight into something I have little exposure to.

The women are protesting being excluded because they are menstruating age, not necessarily because they are menstruating.

It's one of those many things about women that have been used to keep us down.
 

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Yes, you can't go as a woman between some arbitrary ages they've decided encompasses menstruation. Even if you are not menstruating, between those ages you are thought to be too much of a temptation to the god who resides there. Just one more example of men blaming women for not being able to control themselves.
 

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Cheers and respect to you, ladies.
 

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There were gaps? Oh, well, when you put it like that, clearly their point was entirely invalid.


:sarcasm
I'm trying to communicate with a bunch of right-wingers in another forum that don't have a clue. Why is this a left-right issue? Seriously, I don't understand how oppression of women became a one sided political issue.
 
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I'm trying to communicate with a bunch of right-wingers in another forum that don't have a clue. Why is this a left-right issue? Seriously, I don't understand how oppression of women became a one sided political issue.

Aren't right-wingers/conservatives pretty much 'traditionalists', who want to go back to the so called good old days when men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri?
 

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Aren't right-wingers/conservatives pretty much 'traditionalists', who want to go back to the so called good old days when men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri?
In the forum in question they are. Most people in the forum are liberals. And it's fine there is a group of Trump supporting right-wingers. If they weren't there it would just be a liberal echo-chamber. But I forgot how rabid some are when their manhood is threatened or whatever it is to them when an event like this one is posted for discussion.
 
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I'm trying to communicate with a bunch of right-wingers in another forum that don't have a clue. Why is this a left-right issue? Seriously, I don't understand how oppression of women became a one sided political issue.

This is my take on it.

I think it's because many of the people who call themselves conservatives these days are really reactionaries--not simply wanting change to be slow and steady, but to actually move backwards to an era when a certain group of people had power over everyone else. There was a time when the GOP was on board with women's rights, but once they'd successfully incorporated all the old "dixiecrats" and began to actively court fundamentalist Christians (with socially conservative rhetoric), they had to back away from anything that was at odds with the traditional balance of power.

The thing about this is (again, imo) the GOP is riding a furious dragon, and they can't jump off. All they can do is continue to engage in the kind of rhetoric that makes that dragon angrier and angrier. And the more they give it, the angrier and more demanding it gets. This is something that intrigues (and repels me) about the new Right. The more they get their way, the angrier they seem to get.

This is obviously how it's playing out in the US, but change is happening everywhere. People with a conservative mindset seem to think of life as a zero sum game, with one group's gain another group's loss. I am guessing this may be a factor in every culture with conservative movements and changes in economics that are making many people (especially men, but also women who identify with the status quo) insecure. It seems that one thing reactionary movements have everywhere is that they are very angry and convinced something has been taken from them.

And I suppose in a way it has. One thing the women's movement has done is strike at the power dynamics within homes and relationships. Many men are losing something important to them, if controlling their intimate partner was tied in with their self esteem and personal security.
 
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One thing the women's movement has done is strike at the power dynamics within homes and relationships. Many men are losing something important to them, if controlling their intimate partner was tied in with their self esteem and personal security.

How many men figure that if women can get good-paying jobs, their own credit, and buy houses on their own, the men won't be needed? If women aren't 'obliged' to get married to have children, or regular sex, how many of these same men are scared that they will be 'left on the shelf'?
 

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How many men figure that if women can get good-paying jobs, their own credit, and buy houses on their own, the men won't be needed? If women aren't 'obliged' to get married to have children, or regular sex, how many of these same men are scared that they will be 'left on the shelf'?

I've had men tell me just this and essentially blame the bad, abusive, controlling (and deadbeat dad) behavior of many men "these days" on the fact that women don't seem to "need" them anymore. Oh, they usually get a few digs in about the "slutty" behavior of women who are sexually emancipated as men have traditionally been too, because if women don't play hard to get sexually, men don't "respect" them, they claim. These are often men for whom the roles of provider and protector and pursuer are deeply ingrained (sometimes for religious reasons, but there can be others too). The idea that male roles need to shift too, and in fact can shift and are shifting for some men, is profoundly threatening.

Of course, back in the days when men were firmly in control economically and socially (and when sexually active women nearly always got pregnant), they never raped, abused or abandoned women.:sarcasm

I just ran across this article, which made me think of this thread again. It's about a trend in West Africa, not India, but it definitely relates to the fact that women, even in the most conservative of Muslim and Christian communities, are becoming more educated and economically empowered, so they are freer to leave relationships they are not happy with.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/world/africa/niger-divorce-women.html
 
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I've had men tell me just this and essentially blame the bad, abusive, controlling (and deadbeat dad) behavior of many men "these days" on the fact that women don't seem to "need" them anymore. Oh, they usually get a few digs in about the "slutty" behavior of women who are sexually emancipated as men have traditionally been too, because if women don't play hard to get sexually, men don't "respect" them, they claim. These are often men for whom the roles of provider and protector and pursuer are deeply ingrained (sometimes for religious reasons, but there can be others too). The idea that male roles need to shift too, and in fact can shift and are shifting for some men, is profoundly threatening.

There’s a word for men like this: Assholes.
 

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There’s a word for men like this: Assholes.

Unfortunately, some of these men go beyond being mere assholes and can be very dangerous to women, especially when they organize. Hence the recently publicized assaults and murders of women and girls in India and other countries, or the carefully orchestrated campaigns of harassment and intimidation outspoken women face everywhere.
 
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Said on the Oscars tonight: "I can't believe a film about menstruation just won an oscar!"

PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE.
FILM SYNOPSIS
In the rural village of Hapur, outside of Delhi, India, women hope to make feminine hygiene supplies easily available and end the stigma surrounding menstruation, which often results in girls having to drop out of school. A machine that makes sanitary pads is installed, and the women operating it find financial security and independence.
 
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